Do Fine Gael hacks hold the Party back?

[staunch ff]

If people think there's a massive problem with Kenny and the membership, they should keep it to themselves.
If we are alerted to it, we might do something about it, which you wouldn't want, because you want a ******************** leader and arrogant membership, surely?

This sort of thread was warranted when we were on 19% in 2003 and in third place.

Its plainly silly when we are on 34%, and the largest political party in the state at a council level in seats and votes, and a European level in seats and votes.

Its so plainly silly that in my mind, no-one could be that silly in reality. Its mischief making from the usual sources, trying to sow seeks of discord or doubt.
Dream on, Biffo is playing a blinder. The intelligent people who decide elections know Biffo cannot do a thing until the economy reaches bottom. Just watch when there is a sniff of an upturn and Biffo and the FF heavies roll our famous election machine. We may not do enough to stop you Blueshirts scraping into power with the lother wasters labour but you will be punch drunk from the battle and then when in government we will hammer you in to submission
Thats not to say all is rosy in the garden, and we don't have a problem with Kenny (there's a problem with every leader in the world) but we're a long way from the sky falling in.
34% away in fact.

Also, peoples obsession with personal ratings of the leaders demonstrates in reality how little they know about politics, and happily, allows those of us who do to ignore them. It cuts a lot of white noise out.

The next election will be the least presidential ever because....er...Cowen's the largest turn-off in electoral history. He makes Albert look like Obama. FF know this.
Pop quiz: How many Cowen election posters were put up country-wide in the last locals?

[turdsl]

With the talks ready to collapse in the North, some commentators up there were saying last night that if not joint Authority there could a much greener content to businness up there,With Kenny as the new boss here that could be awkward for Sinn Fein showing Kennys disrespect for their mandate down here,

[stray creditor]

The party hacks in Fine Gael lack ambition,Fine Gael should be looking for an overall majority at the next General Election, but Fine Gael hasn't attracted the floating voter,to make that possible since the early 80s.For the next General Election they should have 43 Fine Gael Targets and no Target too far fetched,starting off with like, Target #1,Sligo/North Leitrim,and the electorate made fully aware of how many votes needed to turn over the seat, and so forth, Target #2etc...forget about policies just make it,a sort of payback time,into a sort of political sport.Make the electorate feel they have the power,good song that from Snap,I Got The Power.

[davehiggz]

As a young member I don't feel patronised by the older members. I can quite often get a say at constituency meetings and everyone is always happy to hear from the younger members as we bring a different perspective on things.

[FutureTaoiseach]

The PC-liberal wing of the party hold it back from the late-thirties/early forties by selling out to the Irish Times D4 liberals by joining in condemnation of sentiments of party members like Mayor Kiely in Limerick and Dr Bill Tormey when they call for tighter immigration-controls (deportations and health-screening respectively). To make the ultimate breakthrough, the party must confront the PC-brigade head-on pursue a secularist centre-right populist line. The gullibility on asylum-cases like Pamela Izevbekhai also has to stop. There are no votes in pandering to bogus asylum-seekers who cost the country €300 million a year. The party should also support privatisation of all hospitals and schools, and take a hardline, iron-fisted approach to law-and-order - including a referendum to force judges top impose mandatory-sentences.

[hiding behind a poster]

The PC-liberal wing of the party hold it back from the late-thirties/early forties by selling out to the Irish Times D4 liberals by joining in condemnation of sentiments of party members like Mayor Kiely in Limerick and Dr Bill Tormey when they call for tighter immigration-controls (deportations and health-screening respectively). To make the ultimate breakthrough, the party must confront the PC-brigade head-on pursue a secularist centre-right populist line. The gullibility on asylum-cases like Pamela Izevbekhai also has to stop. There are no votes in pandering to bogus asylum-seekers who cost the country €300 million a year. The party should also support privatisation of all hospitals and schools, and take a hardline, iron-fisted approach to law-and-order - including a referendum to force judges top impose mandatory-sentences.

Ah, the usual FutureTaoiseach post - roughly translates as "because this is what I think, it must also by definitioon be what everyone else thinks".

[hiding behind a poster]

Still waiting for the link to the thread you mentioned by the way. If you ever did get around to responding to my post let me know.

Why should I bother? I've addressed the point often enough, if you didn't want to read my points and actually address them, why should this time be any different? Particularly given that while you KNOW that by the time FitzGerald's government took office we were already borrowing to pay interest on the money we'd borrowed to pay interest on the money we'd borrowed and couldn't afford to pay back - you still somhow think that's the fault of the incoming government rather than the outgoing one.

Which is like getting run over by a speeding driver, having to have a leg amputated, and blaiming the surgeon for the fact that you now have only one leg.

(Note: High-quality analogy Copyright "Meriwether", 2009)

[meriwether]

Why should I bother? I've addressed the point often enough, if you didn't want to read my points and actually address them, why should this time be any different? Particularly given that while you KNOW that by the time FitzGerald's government took office we were already borrowing to pay interest on the money we'd borrowed to pay interest on the money we'd borrowed and couldn't afford to pay back - you still somhow think that's the fault of the incoming government rather than the outgoing one.

Which is like getting run over by a speeding driver, having to have a leg amputated, and blaiming the surgeon for the fact that you now have only one leg.

That speeding driver analogy is my analogy, you thieving bastard.

[hiding behind a poster]

That speeding driver analogy is my analogy, you thieving bastard.

My humblest apologies, meri - see amended post.....

[meriwether]

My humblest apologies, meri - see amended post.....

I'll waive the royalty fee owing to the fact you came clean.