Lucinda Creighton says she's been let down by Enda, will quit if not made Minister

[Red_93]

True - but less of a factor as time goes on.

Yes, it is in nobodies interest but labour's to have the BE as soon as possible.

That might actually work to FG's advantage. It'll now be a bit easier to get an outside candidate, now that the membership's attachment to O'Leary is no longer a factor. There's no one individual among the FG councillors in DS about whom the members are saying "well he/she MUST be the candidate this time" - ergo there's no flag for them to rally round.

Yes, FG are the masters of the parachute

Er, they have. O'Neill in Donegal, and Coffey in Waterford.

Well, they were before they named them

I agree that he has name recognition, but all the things you're mentioning there are strictly relative to who his opponents will be - and at the moment we don't know those. After all, he was well-known, popular and had a high-profile last time - but the second Lee entered the race, he was toast. But anyway, it's debateable how popular he actually is - his electoral record is okay, but nothing amazing. And while I know one person's opinion is just one person's opinion, a friend of mine in Dundrum, who's a hard-core Labour voter, has the same retort everytime White is mentioned: "God but he's fierce smarmy, fierce smug". Its become a running joke at this stage

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I dunno, he seems like a nice guy on TV, but then Joan Burton is supposed to be lovely in real life

Yes he does have a chance - but one thing I'm noticing is that you're referring to the locals as indicators here, in DSE, and in other places, to back up your claim that Labour will win X, Y and Z seats in the general election. Now that's fine, its a perfectly reasonable analysis - but it doesn't really square with the other opinion being expressed (mainly by a poster called "Livingstone", I think), that locals and generals are completely different, that there were massive cohorts of voters around the country just dying to vote Labour in a GE, but who for one reason or another just couldn't bring themselves to do so, in either local or European elections. Because as you said yourself, if you look at the locals, then Labour have great chances of gains in Dublin South-East, Dublin South-West, etc etc. But looking at the locals also means that Labour are at about 15% nationally, give or take a couple of points - meaning that all this talk of them being the largest party is exactly that - just talk. Either the locals are relevant indicators, or they're not. They can't be both.

Well I think the locals are relevant indicators, though they did overstate FF support a little and understate LP support a little, though not to the extent that some have been saying. They did also overstate indos support a little. I don't think there are, as you put it "massive cohorts" but I think labour will improve on their LE result come the GE, and have the potential to come quite close to FF with a Spring Tide type campaign and good vote management on their part and bad management by FF. I think labour have good candidates and will need to utilise them to their full potential in order to make the great gains they aspire to.

[MacAnGallog]

Nothing like the old keep your head down, do the hard work and eventually the benefits will come your way routine. Frustrated after 2 years in the Dail? Come off it.

100% agree... She sounds like bloody George Lee!

(from a FG man!)

[hiding behind a poster]

I take it he is running so. That means lucinda is out. There is not 2 FG seats here

Why aren't there 2 FG seats in DSE?

[bored and fussy]

100% agree... She sounds like bloody George Lee!

(from a FG man!)

I have to say i like lucinda creighton i think she is smar that is why enda kenny doesnt like her
i alway thought she and leo varadkar would make a lovely couple
leader and deputy leader maybe

[turdsl]

I have to say i like lucinda creighton i think she is smar that is why enda kenny doesnt like her
i alway thought she and leo varadkar would make a lovely couple
leader and deputy leader maybe

Whatever about Lucinda, You must really hate Fine Gael

[Red_93]

Why aren't there 2 FG seats in DSE?

It would seem from the locals that there are if labour makes a f**k up like running Bacik, or if both Andrews and Gormley lose their seats.

[I'mVeryGladYouAskedMeThat]

Why aren't there 2 FG seats in DSE?

There often were. Then again, before Lucinda, there were none for five years.

[Tomas Mor]

Surprise Luz Enda is not on about poll being bad for FG. And if there is a FG/Lab coalition ministerial jobs for FG will be reduced by an expanded Labour, which will be mostly Dublin based. So Luz Enda may have to sit on the back benches, and if they have a comfortable majority threats of resigning likie Michael Ring will not work. She may well indeed defect to labour- maybe her true home.

[Red_93]

Surprise Luz Enda is not on about poll being bad for FG. And if there is a FG/Lab coalition ministerial jobs for FG will be reduced by an expanded Labour, which will be mostly Dublin based. So Luz Enda may have to sit on the back benches, and if they have a comfortable majority threats of resigning likie Michael Ring will not work. She may well indeed defect to labour- maybe her true home.

Whaaaaaaaaaaat, ohh please no no, don't spring that right wing beeatch on us pleeeeeeeaaaaaaaaase.

[TommyO'Brien]

She may well indeed defect to labour- maybe her true home.

Lucinda's true home is Labour???

ROTLFMAO

That is like saying that Ruairi Ó Bradaigh's true home is the Democratic Unionist Party!!!