FG to make immigration an election issue?

[paypal]

Welcome news in today's "Sunday Independent". An article claims that Fine Gael will seek to make a comprehensive discussion of immigration part of the next election campaign debate. In particular, they will draw attention to the role of FAS, which receives generous public funding to go off to Prague and Riga recruiting for Irish employers, while tens of thousands of Irish people remain out of work.
Funny thing, when I called attention to FAS's dereliction of its duty to Irish workers in favour of its "duty" to Irish capitalists I was cursed and called a "racist" by some pseudo-leftists (the usual suspects, they know who they are) on this site! Didn't bother me, and I trust it won't bother FG if the same kind of pups start barking!!

"Deputy Hogan will ask his Fine Gael colleagues to consider the failure of Fas to realise the potential of Irish citizens currently making up the ranks of the country's 160,000 unemployed."

[Kev408]

I don't know what a 'pseudo-leftist' is. Anyway, so as not to disappoint you and in the full knowledge that you are incapable of intelligent debate, I propose, in consummate paypal fashion, to allow this thread to go off-topic and insulting straight away by repeating that you are a racist and a proven liar.

Time for the martyr act again paypal...off you go...

[Kev408]

Ok..a serious debate. Why do FAS have to go abroad to get workers when this country is awash with jobs? Is it because many of the Irish unemployed don't want to work? I know one or two who are not willing to work. Do you?

[BelfastSpark]

About time the Issue of Immigration and its effects on the Irish Population. However I think The Issue of Immigration is being used by FG as a vote winner, I wouldnt think they would do anything about Immigration different if they were in power.
Nonetheless I am happy they have brought the Issue up the Irish people need a voice on this.

[BelfastSpark]

Ok..a serious debate. Why do FAS have to go abroad to get workers when this country is awash with jobs? Is it because many of the Irish unemployed don't want to work? I know one or two who are not willing to work. Do you?

Thats a good Point, When an Irish person does work at the minimum wage level, after he has paid his rent, utility bills etc he is no better off.The immigrant can absorb these hardships by pooling finances, sharing accomodation, and returning to thier respective nations were the cost of living is lower and returning. One solution is to subsidse the salarys of Irish workers, to a level were its afordable to work, Believe me a lot of people who dont want to work do it out of financial reasons rather than being lazy. who would want to work on minimum wage with a mortgage and ungauranted job, if you lose your home the bank reposeses it.

[KeithM]

Ok..a serious debate. Why do FAS have to go abroad to get workers when this country is awash with jobs? Is it because many of the Irish unemployed don't want to work? I know one or two who are not willing to work. Do you?

Exactly. Why do you think that people that are unemployed are now being asked to prove that they are seeking employment after 6 months and not the previous 12. I have no problem with people being selective with the jobs they take, but why should the taxpayer fund it?

[Kev408]

Ok..a serious debate. Why do FAS have to go abroad to get workers when this country is awash with jobs? Is it because many of the Irish unemployed don't want to work? I know one or two who are not willing to work. Do you?

Thats a good Point, When an Irish person does work at the minimum wage level, after he has paid his rent, utility bills etc he is no better off.The immigrant can absorb these hardships by pooling finances, sharing accomodation, and returning to thier respective nations were the cost of living is lower and returning. One solution is to subsidse the salarys of Irish workers, to a level were its afordable to work, Believe me a lot of people who dont want to work do it out of financial reasons rather than being lazy. who would want to work on minimum wage with a mortgage and ungauranted job, if you lose your home the bank reposeses it.

I agree there's many who would actually lose money if they went back to work but there are still many thousands who choose not to, regardless. They should be rounded up and if they don't accept jobs they should have their dole removed. Not an easy project for the state to undertake though.

Belfast spark, there are several immigration threads on the go at the moment but they degenerate into the name-calling and BS which I was mocking in my first response. Nevertheless, they are funny especially when paypal is involved. The poor chap has a mickey fit every time he hears a foreign accent

[Kev408]

Ok..a serious debate. Why do FAS have to go abroad to get workers when this country is awash with jobs? Is it because many of the Irish unemployed don't want to work? I know one or two who are not willing to work. Do you?

Exactly. Why do you think that people that are unemployed are now being asked to prove that they are seeking employment after 6 months and not the previous 12. I have no problem with people being selective with the jobs they take, but why should the taxpayer fund it?

Yeh, I heard something like that a couple of weeks ago. I fully support it and it applies to immigrants too, and thats spot on with me. Maybe it should be 3 months? I mean how long does it take to find a job in a country where we have to send an employment agency abroad to get workers.

[Salthill]

It seems that FG are again confirming that they will say and do anything to get into power. In this context, "have a debate" means "we're on your side - whatever that side is".

Labour people still feeling comfortable?

[smiffy]

It seems that FG are again confirming that they will say and do anything to get into power. In this context, "have a debate" means "we're on your side - whatever that side is".

Labour people still feeling comfortable?

You know, it might be worth reading the actual story, rather than taking paypal's rather misleading spin on it at face value. From what's in the paper, it looks like a reasonably progressive and sensible approach to the issue (although, as always, details to follow wouldn't inspire one with confidence).