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    FG and Lab launch joint policy on garda reform.

    Today Fine Gael and Labour released a new joint agenda for garda reform and community policing.

    It's available here:
    http://www.finegael.ie/PubUploads/Po...ommunities.pdf

    Oddly enough I can't see any mention of it on either the RTE website or breaking news.ie.

    Any thoughts on the ideas?
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    Overall I quite like it but then I would cos it seems awfully similar to what is already being done by McD.

    Civilianising the clerical jobs, upping Garda numbers to 15k, more community based approach etc.

    I'm glad to see support for an Tanaiste from Fine Gael & Labour especially this close to a general election.
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    Re: FG and Lab launch joint policy on garda reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky
    Any thoughts on the ideas?
    I had a quick skim thru and its pretty much more of the same and a little bit wooly.

    One point jumped out at me though.

    Buying houses for the Garda so that they can live in the community.

    How does this work?
    Will the OPW own the houses?
    Will there be preferential loans for Garda?

    Its a bit mad that one.
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    Is there anything in there FF or the PDs would disagree with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gladstone
    Is there anything in there FF or the PDs would disagree with?
    Not really. Most of whats in there is already in train.

    The new Garda Authority to which the Commisioner is answerable to is novel.
    What purpose does it serve that being answerable to the Minister does not serve?

    Are we inventing a quango here?

    The HSE was one thing because the Health Boards had to be replaced but unless the Authority is replacing something, why mess around with it?
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    Once you buy houses for part of the public-sector expect a flood of similarly daft claims from the other public-sector unions. Sounds like FG's 2002 proposal on Eircom shares compo in terms of daftness. The Dumb Coalition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiker

    Most of whats in there is already in train.

    Not really. Given that the FF/PD government are the masters of "action by press-release" (after all, the Airport Metro has now been launched FIVE times, without so much as a sod being turned), the fact that McDowell has announced certain things today doesn't exactly make them "in train"
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    Re: FG and Lab launch joint policy on garda reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by hiker
    Buying houses for the Garda so that they can live in the community.
    It's already done in Northern Ireland. NABCO or BIH (I can't remember which, but I think it was BIH) has several apartment complexes which are preferential for "key service workers". For example, hospital doctors (junior doctors, not consultants), nurses, police, firemen, etc. It's sort of like an affordable housing scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutureTaoiseach
    Once you buy houses for part of the public-sector expect a flood of similarly daft claims from the other public-sector unions. Sounds like FG's 2002 proposal on Eircom shares compo in terms of daftness. The Dumb Coalition.

    God, what a moron.

    Of course if FutureTaoiseach had bothered reading the proposal, he'd have seen this -

    "The feasability of an Garda Siochana providing members with houses in both urban and rural communities - including incentives to encourage them to live on estates with anti-social behaviour problems or elevated crime rates - should be explored"

    In other words, it suggests the idea be looked at, teased out, examined, to see if its a runner. If it ain't a runner, it won't happen. If it looks like leading to claims from other unions (surely FT's most ridiculous suggestion yet, and that's saying something), then it won't happen either. But how requiring a Garda to live in some sh*thole estate that has a crime wave is gonna lead to a flood of parity claims, or how on earth that looks similar to the Eircom compensation scheme, is beyond me.
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    Re: FG and Lab launch joint policy on garda reform.

    Quote Originally Posted by krayZpaving
    Quote Originally Posted by hiker
    Buying houses for the Garda so that they can live in the community.
    It's already done in Northern Ireland. NABCO or BIH (I can't remember which, but I think it was BIH) has several apartment complexes which are preferential for "key service workers". For example, hospital doctors (junior doctors, not consultants), nurses, police, firemen, etc. It's sort of like an affordable housing scheme.

    Hmmm...

    I dont know. It makes it a perk of the job and as FT says, soon everyone will want one.
    I'll hold making my mind up on that one until I see how it might work.

    What about my comments on the Authority.?
    Bazinga!

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