It's raining soup and Fine Gael has a fork

[west'sawake]

I think it was John Donnellan a former F.G T.D. for Galway East that ridiculed Alan Dukes for his Tallaght Strategy back in the late
80s that if it was raining soup Dukes would have a fork. The jibe was unfair as Duke's actions were among the most patriotic and courageous in post independent Ireland.

I do think this time though Donnellan's analogy is an appropriate one. F.G. is the party that bedded down democracy in the infant state, the party that tried to build on Collins' words that the treaty of 1921 gave the country the freedom to achieve freedom, the party that forced De Valera's hand and got him to leave physical force Republicanism behind.

This is the party that declared the Free State a Republic but is now incapable or unable to stand up for the smaller nations of Europe, is unwilling to recognise the will of the people in the most recent referendum, and goes along with the lie that Lisbon keeps us strong in Europe when it actually weakens our position; this is the party that is now supporting the effective shelling out of the Institutions of the State they helped found and build up, and this too is the party that is now giving a life line to Brian Cowan and F.F. their very political foes that have nearly bankrupted this country twice in a generation.

As that pop song went F.G. you are simply unbelievable. That you utterly fail to see that if Lisbon is buried, so is Cowan and so is F.F. is unfathomable. For that lack of political ruthlessness, when Lisbon is no more about the economy or jobs or future prosperity, or the good of the country than Louis Walsh is about good rock music, you deserve to be permanently in opposition, which if Lisbon is passed you will be.

Nama is through and if Lisbon passes it will be followed by a budget that won't increase taxes any further and what with pension funds recovering, bank shares climbing, who will the thankful thank, F.G., Gilmore, not a chance.

If Lisbon goes through, F.G. will have blown it. Cowan will have seen through the worst and by next Spring FF will overtake F.G.again. Make no mistake Cowan and F.F will have a spring in their step. So, F.G., be careful what you wish for, you just might get it, a Lisbon victory but with a basking Cowan and rejuvenated F.F.

Leading the No side against the Lisbon rerun could have been your finest hour but you have blown it. What's worse is that if Lisbon is passed you will have not only betrayed the State you founded but simultaneously kept in power those who have caused much angst, much pain, much suffering for many

I am consoled though because if Lisbon comes to pass, you with your soup forks and unforgiveable political naievete will ironically have contributed to your own permanent demise and become mere foot notes in History and you will well deserve such ignominy. On the other hand, if Lisbon fails to be passed, you will get none of the credit, indeed we may well be entering a new political dispensation because the vacuum you failed to fill will be filled by a new movement on the left as well as on the right. Either way, F.G. loses.

It is up to you the ordinary F.G members who have stuck with the party through thick and thin to Carpe Diem and do what's best for Ireland and Europe, as the cover of the Economist said, bury this Treaty.

[mryoungdan]

Good post Westawake. They are the are the most useless shower of traitors that ever existed. That picture of Enda the Eejit meeting Ganley showed them to be the 2 faced lizards they are.

If they had a brain they would be dangerous

[west'sawake]

Good post Westawake. They are the are the most useless shower of traitors that ever existed. That picture of Enda the Eejit meeting Ganley showed them to be the 2 faced lizards they are.

If they had a brain they would be dangerous

Quite so, the party has no backbone, no spine, no real convictions. It simply does not deserve to be in Government since it is now clearly no different to F.F. especially on the most fundamental issues of our time. This will be seen by the Irish public too who will continue to back the Devil they know.

We are living in times when people are indifferent or fearful or both, and the only antidote to that is courageous and visionary leadership, both now clearly lacking in F.G. a party in thrall to a new empire and afraid to challenge the might of the E.U. corporatist trough which they are as eager as F.F. to slurp out of.

[JCR]

All very naive in the extreme, why don't you both run for leader of a politcal party and see how far you would get with this manure. Grow up.

[mryoungdan]

I can only speak for myself. I voted FG, my father voted FG, the generation before that lost members in the civil war.

If the officer could be resurrected he would plant a 303 round right between Enda Kenny's eyes.

[JCR]

I can only speak for myself. I voted FG, my father voted FG, the generation before that lost members in the civil war.

If the officer could be resurrected he would plant a 303 round right between Enda Kenny's eyes.

What are you talking about you archaic dinosaur

[mryoungdan]

I am bitterly disappointed in FG. They are as West said spineless. A massive inferiority complex. FF are at 16% and these cretins are still talking coalition.

They are in fact a joke

[west'sawake]

All very naive in the extreme, why don't you both run for leader of a politcal party and see how far you would get with this manure. Grow up.

Address the issues please. Can you explain how given the worst recession since the 30s exaccerbated by F.F.fiscal recklessness, that F.G. has a level of support that is behind what Garrett Fitzgerald took them to in the 80s, 39% , still stuck inthe low 30s.

Lisbon has exposed them for what they are, absolutley nothing new to offer. Not only that they have been out manoeuvred by F.F. and the Greens re Nama and the electorate are beginning to accept NAMA.

When a vacuum is not filled, someone else will fill it. F.G. have lost the plot and they lack the bottle and yes even political pragmatism to be in power. I voted F.G in the last two General Elections, even joined the party, but after this they can forget it.

In Mayo alone there are at least 50 no to Lisbon canvassers who were former F.F or F.G activists and they will unite around at least one anti Lisbon Independent Councillor with a good electoral track record for the next General Election. (There are several such Councillers between Urban and County Council that can be approached).

If F.G. think they can capitalise on the swing against F.F. here in the West they can forget it. They have missed the boat and been found out.

[Toland]

They are as West said spineless.

FF at least as spineless and politically rudderless as FG. The only difference is that they have been able to use their brass neck to draw attention away from their lack of backbone.

I'm no fan of the floppy centre-right, but give me FG any day.

[Hal]

give me FG any day.

Would you like fries with that?