What does Fianna Fail stand for?

[Quiet Man]

There have been a few answers to the question along these lines. An understandable response depending on one's point of view but clearly not what the party actually stands for but rather a description of the behaviour of some of its elected officials and their buddies.
In fact it is clear from the lack of clear responses from FFers that they don't stand for anything much except some superficial notion of 'Irishness' without any details of what it means. It really is time for the ideological meaning of FF (and the other parties) to be debated in public and beyond the narrow realm of Internet message boards. Anyone got any idea on how this can get kick-started?

FFers are simply wasting their time replying on threads like these as the ABFF's dont want to listen to any replies, let alone any that might be reasoned or objective.

There are many excellent posters on this site from many varying backgrounds and allegiances who can show some respect for each others differences and points of views, but sadly the majority of the posters are simply here to attack, insult and score bragging points.

Its been said on other threads, but the more vitriolic the attacks on FF, the more its unsure or wavering supporters will close ranks and will in fact begin to re-galvanise it support base.

[Toland]

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[Raketemensch]

FFers are simply wasting their time replying on threads like these as the ABFF's dont want to listen to any replies, let alone any that might be reasoned or objective.

There are many excellent posters on this site from many varying backgrounds and allegiances who can show some respect for each others differences and points of views, but sadly the majority of the posters are simply here to attack, insult and score bragging points.

Its been said on other threads, but the more vitriolic the attacks on FF, the more its unsure or wavering supporters will close ranks and will in fact begin to re-galvanise it support base.

So their supporters will close ranks and try to re-galvanise support because they have lost support for legitimate reasons? That's not very patriotic is it?

[Raketemensch]

bumpy..

[staunch ff]

Interesting question and I trust the motivation in asking it is sincere, will give the benefit of the doubt anyway.
I am 64 years old and joined FF 32 years ago. Though fathers family were very republican politics was very rarely mentioned. I knew father as a child was used to move guns from one place to another and his father had been viciously beaten up by the Black & Tans. Also, fathers first cousin was the first to be killed in action on the day the Civil War started. Despite this I can honestly say there was never a trace of pressure to vote FF in my first 32 years. To me its a personality thing and difficult to explain. As you probably know FF sees itself as a "movement" and not a party in the normal sense. Have never met a FF member with what is called an ideology, its like saying simply that someone has to run the country and we are the people who want to do that cause someone has to do it. The word pragmatism is regulary thrown at FF and like all words with ism it allows freedom of the mind to juggle with those who disagree. FF is also seen as a populist party and there is plenty of truth in that also.

Will fiinish this off in a second post as I am not too good at typing and time runs out if you are slow on this site

[MPB]

Interesting question and I trust the motivation in asking it is sincere, will give the benefit of the doubt anyway.
I am 64 years old and joined FF 32 years ago. Though fathers family were very republican politics was very rarely mentioned. I knew father as a child was used to move guns from one place to another and his father had been viciously beaten up by the Black & Tans. Also, fathers first cousin was the first to be killed in action on the day the Civil War started. Despite this I can honestly say there was never a trace of pressure to vote FF in my first 32 years. To me its a personality thing and difficult to explain. As you probably know FF sees itself as a "movement" and not a party in the normal sense. Have never met a FF member with what is called an ideology, its like saying simply that someone has to run the country and we are the people who want to do that cause someone has to do it. The word pragmatism is regulary thrown at FF and like all words with ism it allows freedom of the mind to juggle with those who disagree. FF is also seen as a populist party and there is plenty of truth in that also.

Will fiinish this off in a second post as I am not too good at typing and time runs out if you are slow on this site

Please don,t as it is becoming boring now. We all have a family history, most young people now, have a history of being screwed by you and your fathers party.

[staunch ff]

Please don,t as it is becoming boring now. We all have a family history, most young people now, have a history of being screwed by you and your fathers party.

Is that because the clowns you support dont have the brains to win an election to make the world perfect ?

[MPB]

Is that because the clowns you support dont have the brains to win an election to make the world perfect ?

Unlike you I do not support clowns. I am my own man. I do not need to be told by my daddy who to vote for.

By the way most stories told to sons by fathers who claim to be war heroes are proven to be false( do not want to burst your bubble by the way).

I heard the same stories.

I decided to read and find out for myself.

[fionnmccool]

Have never met a FF member with what is called an ideology

Its possible to infer from those words that FF has no ethical ideology and that therefore all FFs ideas are for sale.

[alan1122]

For Ffers, Haughy promised the family of Francis Hughes that Bobby Sands death was the first and last and that their son would'nt die. he then went to paris to commit adultry with his mistress and this young Irish man was allowed to die as we know.
He went on to surpass his evilness when he stole the late B.lenihan snr, kidney transplant funds.
and when I think of FF ,I see haughy and his evil grin and its at those moments I re-pledge my self to doing all I can to destroy FF.