FF Election Manifesto 2007 - How Many Broken Promises Will There Be?

[droghedasouth]

To be fair, no one is judged by their scorecard from their previous manifesto.

FF will be judged by their handling of the recession which their staggeringly incompetent policies have made much deeper than anywhere else.

The current problems in the financial markets are but ripples compared to the hole the Cowen has created in the long term finances.

I genuinely hope at a human level that both Lenihan and Cowen enjoy robust good health and have a way of relaxing other than alcahol because the next 18-30 months are going to be fkcuing awful.

[StrangeBedfellow]

I genuinely hope at a human level that both Lenihan and Cowen enjoy robust good health and have a way of relaxing other than alcahol because the next 18-30 months are going to be fkcuing awful.

[Question R24U]

i gave 3 reasons why manifestos are not worth the paper they are written on. The other reason was given above - none of the parties manifestos have any credibility either. A manifesto says a party's aim, and for them to avoid being the same but Any document which is produced as part of the game cannot be anything other than lame.

[toxic avenger]

Yeah, threads like this (and there's nothing wrong with it) need FF posters like his late tonysness to become any fun, but serious FF posters seem to be in short supply now. Adrem and tonys were always good for an articulate and relatively reasoned argument, for example. A thread with a long list of posters agreeing with each other is not good, it leads to the better FG posters like DS above actually using terms like 'to be fair...'.

[Edo]

To be fair, no one is judged by their scorecard from their previous manifesto.

FF will be judged by their handling of the recession which their staggeringly incompetent policies have made much deeper than anywhere else.

The current problems in the financial markets are but ripples compared to the hole the Cowen has created in the long term finances.

I genuinely hope at a human level that both Lenihan and Cowen enjoy robust good health and have a way of relaxing other than alcahol because the next 18-30 months are going to be fkcuing awful.

Yep - and you know what the scary thing here is DS - FF are suddenly showing dangerous signs that they are actually up for the game - the next 2 budgets will be brutal - they have absolutely no other choice - they will have to administer the hard medicine - so far they have played it very well - no sign of panic - I also have a feeling that the developers are going to find out the hard way how fairweather friends FF can be when staring down the barrel at their own political mortality - that will be the acid test.

How this will play out in the next GE election (2012 unless there is a serious GUBU Moment) remains to be seen. If FF do what they have to do in the next 2 years - then we will be over the worst and coming out the other side - will be interesting - will the voters remember the bad difficult and painful moments that were necessary to get us out of this mess (like they perennially do with FG),decide its time for a spring clean and give them their RP50's - or will they give them credit for "saving us from the worst" and totally forget that it was in large measure due to the idiotic shorterm policies of previous FF administration that it got so bad in the first place - hmmm if I was a betting man -looking at the horses running today I know where I'd be putting my money.

Its gas isn't it - the secondary lesson to be learnt from all this is that when the brownstuff finally hits the fan, when all other avenues have been exhausted and we're cornered ,Fianna Fail ,finally start listening to the opposition, the more sound economic commentators and start doing the right things when they have no other choice - its helps that me auld flower Bertie, the great waffler,procrastinator and compromiser has been drop kicked into touch and a more doctrinare individual is in the hotseat (jury is still out - but initial signs after a rocky start are promising).

The Primary Lesson to be learnt out of all of this is that Fianna fail are absolutely hopeless with money - like a spendthrift alcoholic gambler in the bar at the leopardstown races on payday - but try and explain that to the electorate - that is the challenge for all the opposition parties and the need for an alternative narrative is becoming compelling if we are not blow things again after FF clean up the mess that they were at least 50% responsible for.

Now thats it - Im not defending FF anymore - anybody on for organising a petition to get Tonys unbanned and back in situ doing our heads in?

[goosebump]

Dont mean to piss on your partisan parade here Pfkf - as a fellow FGer I know where you are coming from here -

But is there any chance of you throwing up the FG "Contract" , Labours Manifesto and Sinn Feins Santa List , the Green list from 2007?

You would be able to do a serious hatchet job on all of them - as in the current situation they are all complete pie in the sky.

The last election was an auction and all parties had to participate - the electorate didnt want to know about any negativity and just wanted , beyond any logic, for the party to keep on rocking.

FF will still win the next election unless FG can come up with a radical alternative vision of where they want the country to go - fact.

Good post.

FG would want to give the gloating a break for 5 minutes. No one seriously believes that things would be any different had they been in power for the last 5 years.

What people want now is a bit of leadership.

[florin]

Good post.

FG would want to give the gloating a break for 5 minutes. No one seriously believes that things would be any different had they been in power for the last 5 years.

What people want now is a bit of leadership.

Actually it would have been quite different what with FG not being owned by builders. And do we expect leadership - actual leadership - from the same fools who have spent their whole careers hiding from the consequences of their actions?

[flavirostris]

Good post.

FG would want to give the gloating a break for 5 minutes. No one seriously believes that things would be any different had they been in power for the last 5 years.

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Thats a ludicrous statement, have you taken over tonys role as chief FF toadie on these threads

[goosebump]

Thats a ludicrous statement, have you taken over tonys role as chief FF toadie on these threads

Its only ludicrous if you can highlight any economic policy that FG have opposed over the last 5 years.

The only policy that I can recall FG opposing was *not* cutting Stamp Duty, which had it happened, would have left us even more in the sh1t.

[katy brock]

Dont mean to piss on your partisan parade here Pfkf - as a fellow FGer I know where you are coming from here -

But is there any chance of you throwing up the FG "Contract" , Labours Manifesto and Sinn Feins Santa List , the Green list from 2007?

You would be able to do a serious hatchet job on all of them - as in the current situation they are all complete pie in the sky.

The last election was an auction and all parties had to participate - the electorate didnt want to know about any negativity and just wanted , beyond any logic, for the party to keep on rocking.

FF will still win the next election unless FG can come up with a radical alternative vision of where they want the country to go - fact.

Self doubt.

No offence intended, but this is one of the reasons FG can't seem to win a general election.

I hate Fianna Fail with every fibre of my body, so I can't understand why you FG people won't kick them when they're down! They would have no hesitation in doing it to you.

Enda's (get rid of him) daft contract was indeed ridiculous and I personally will never forgive him for supporting the failed bank bailout last week, but why on earth are you people so apologetic.

Jesus wept! - There are people posting on this site who actually think Charles Haughey was a benign influence on Irish politics.
In the face of such shamelessness - would you people not just toughen up!

You're never going to get into government if you keep criticising your own party in public. Take a leaf from Fianna Fail - present a united face and do the bloodletting in private!





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