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    slysnara slysnara is offline

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    It is a good idea for Fianna Fáil to establish themselves as the pro-life party. Currently if one is pro-choice, they could attach themselves to any of the parties, but if one is pro-life, no party of significance is representing them.

    To that end, the pro-choice vote is split across the parties, and Fianna Fáil could bring more or less all the pro-life voters together under their umbrella.
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    Fr Peter McWhinger Fr Peter McWhinger is offline

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    Leo will do for Fine Gael with Liberalism.
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    Article in indo alleging that Peadar Toibin may leave SF and join FF, and would seem partly related to stance on Eight.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36317708.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by blokesbloke View Post
    There's no party in Ireland which would really appeal to me to be honest ReF.
    I'm telling Joanie you said that
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    Quote Originally Posted by TruthInTheNews View Post
    The latest B&A poll has FF at 31%, an increase of 4%. This is a significant gain during a period in which there were no major policy announcements from the FF camp apart from decision to campaign for the retention of the Eight Amendment. FF are now the only party in Ireland in favour of retaining the Eight Amendment.

    Will opposition to appeal be a vote getter for FF?
    Just how strong is the anti-abortion vote?
    Is every FF TD in favour of retaining the Eight?
    Will those FF TDs in pro-abortion constituencies openly campaign against repeal of the Eighth?
    Will FF assume the mantle of the party that represents socially conservative Ireland?
    I thought FF's policy was to allow a free vote on any bill to remove the eighth Amendment?
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    Fr Peter McWhinger Fr Peter McWhinger is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odyessus View Post
    I thought FF's policy was to allow a free vote on any bill to remove the eighth Amendment?
    Yes but how many FF'ers will vote to remove the 8th?

    Leo will shade most of the Liberal Vote.
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    Overall it's a good thing. Incredible shortsightedness to go after a dwindling rural vote. Just when it looks like they are back in the game, they start to make these calls.

    Be under no illusion. FF are not pro or anti abortion. They have no principles, they go with the wind on social issues and they seem to think the wind is to retain the 8th. And it clearly is not.
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    Fr Peter McWhinger Fr Peter McWhinger is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_SR View Post
    Overall it's a good thing. Incredible shortsightedness to go after a dwindling rural vote. Just when it looks like they are back in the game, they start to make these calls.

    Be under no illusion. FF are not pro or anti abortion. They have no principles, they go with the wind on social issues and they seem to think the wind is to retain the 8th. And it clearly is not.
    Much of Urban Ireland will become Leftie territory particularly as the number of renters grow, and as high borrowed buyers come off the rails through career downturns and adverse medical conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr Peter McWhinger View Post
    Much of Urban Ireland will become Leftie territory particularly as the number of renters grow, and as high borrowed buyers come off the rails through career downturns and adverse medical conditions.
    That is really the problem with the left in Ireland, they don't do hope.
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    UCD had a referendum on abortion last year and around 40% voted to keep the 8th. That's leafy urban liberal South Dublin. It's more than large enough a group of young people for the party to attract and with whom to build a large voting base for the coming decades.

    Katie Ascough got elected not because of her pro-life views, but because all the pro-life voters came together to vote for one candidate. If Fianna Fáil position themselves as the pro-life party, they could succeed electorally in much the same way as Ascough did.
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