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    Social liberalism may not confer much electoral advantage.

    There was an FG councillor on radio a year ago. He reckoned FG had suffered a backlash for its strong support of same sex marriage
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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    Social liberalism may not confer much electoral advantage.

    There was an FG councillor on radio a year ago. He reckoned FG had suffered a backlash for its strong support of same sex marriage
    One of the happiest days in the nation's history, you have got to be kidding.
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    FF's recovery in the polls is concrete proof that abortion is not a priority for a large part of the electorate.

    Just because the media keep talking about something and saying it is a priority does not mean that the public thinks that it's a priority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flavirostris View Post
    FF's recovery in the polls is concrete proof that abortion is not a priority for a large part of the electorate.

    Just because the media keep talking about something and saying it is a priority does not mean that the public thinks that it's a priority.
    I think its fair to say FF rank and file are mostly anti abortion.

    But Micheal Martin is a mealy mouthed weasel IMO. I actually think he will try to neuter any opposition to abortion within the party
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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    Social liberalism may not confer much electoral advantage.

    There was an FG councillor on radio a year ago. He reckoned FG had suffered a backlash for its strong support of same sex marriage
    That's probably true. They have also suffered from an abortion backlash since the POLDP bill. FF opposed this bill and many predicted they would suffer politically for it. The opposite has happened. They have recovered strongly.

    Barry Walsh of YFG was heckled at the FG think-in in Cavan at the weekend when he asked 'Where is the demand for this referendum coming from'. People tried to shout him down by screaming 'people are dying'.. 'women are dying'.

    Walsh's question was a good one. The demand is not coming from the public or the FG grassroots, so one has to conclude that FG are being led by the media.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flavirostris View Post
    FF's recovery in the polls is concrete proof that abortion is not a priority for a large part of the electorate.

    Just because the media keep talking about something and saying it is a priority does not mean that the public thinks that it's a priority.
    ?

    What reason do you think they have recovered if not the anti-abortion stance then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blokesbloke View Post
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    What reason do you think they have recovered if not the anti-abortion stance then?
    What I'm saying is that the anti-abortion stance has not affected their recovery adversely and has probably helped them as they have gained some former FG anti-abortion voters.

    A lot of people thought FF's stance on the abortion bill would damage them or pigeonhole them as an anti-abortion party but as you can see from the polls, they've continued to recover strongly. 31% in that last B&A poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blokesbloke View Post
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    What reason do you think they have recovered if not the anti-abortion stance then?
    BB in Irish politics who would you support?

    Anyway the older FG supporters tend to be socially conservative at least a bit but those under forty share a lot of common ideological ground with Antifa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratio Et Fides View Post
    BB in Irish politics who would you support?

    Anyway the older FG supporters tend to be socially conservative at least a bit but those under forty share a lot of common ideological ground with Antifa.
    There's no party in Ireland which would really appeal to me to be honest ReF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcos the black View Post
    Older rural voters will be happy.
    Younger urban voters won't be.
    Which one is sustainable?
    The problem is that those who believe its a key issue will continue to believe its a key issue at election time, it will probably come into play for the last seat in a constituency.
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