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    Enda the line for FF-FG Confidence and Supply Arrangement

    Seems that internal tensions in FF are mounting over the transition period in FG.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/201...ntary-meeting/

    Willie O'Dea, is pushing for a review of the deal that's in place, which places him at odds with others in the Parliamentary Party.

    "In the event of a new leader being elected to Fine Gael I think we'll have to have another look at the supply and confidence agreement before we decide to support a government led by that individual".

    Mr O'Dea's position is at odds with that of his party colleague Michael McGrath who said yesterday that there would be no need for new talks with any new leader of the Fine Gael party, if the party did not change the Programme for Government.
    Coming after reported divisions regarding the expressions of confidence in Noirin O'Sullivan, is there a growing impatience within some in FF for having to wait to be in Government, or is it a case of "let's stick it to them while they're distracted?"

    Perhaps it signifies an impending end to Micheal Martin's long game.
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    I sincerely hope it doesn't work out for them. It's FF at their most cynical and most self-interested.

    It also very neatly demonstrates how few actual policy differences they have with Fine Gael.
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    Tut tut disparaging fred title, who'd be at it...
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    It will last two years min.

    The new FG ministers and indo ministers will want to secure pension rights.


    To receive this pension entitlement you have to have served for at least two years in one of these offices. The pension is then worked out as a percentage of the office holder’s salary. After two years a retiring minister is entitled to a pension equal to 20 per cent of his or her salary. After three years this becomes 25 per cent, four years 30 per cent, and five years 35 per cent.
    The maximum entitlement is 60 per cent after 10 years’ service. Service as a minister of state is reckonable for ministerial pension calculations, with half the service accrued being counted for pension purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PBP voter View Post
    It will last two years min.

    The new FG ministers and indo ministers will want to secure pension rights.
    That's in FF's hands. They have a knife to the government's throat.

    They must be severely annoyed that the government is not having bigger problems and that the problems they are having (Nóirín, for example) FF is finding difficult to exploit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    I sincerely hope it doesn't work out for them. It's FF at their most cynical and most self-interested.
    They might do a) or they might do b), but either way you've decided "It's FF at their most cynical and most self-interested"

    Well done Toland, you've finally become a cartoon of yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    They might do a) or they might do b), but either way you've decided "It's FF at their most cynical and most self-interested"

    Well done Toland, you've finally become a cartoon of yourself.
    Not going into coalition with Fine Gael and choosing instead to push them into government with a knife at their throat was deeply cynical.

    I'm very glad it appears not to be working out as they wished.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    Not going into coalition with Fine Gael and choosing instead to push them into government with a knife at their throat was deeply cynical.

    I'm very glad it appears not to be working out as they wished.
    Ah yes, but your record of political judgement isn't great now, is it?
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    FF sense they can get more out of their deal during the transition period for a new Taoiseach. If it's Coveney, it will be more of the same. If it is Vlad, they will get more pork or they'd fancy their chances in an election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    Ah yes, but your record of political judgement isn't great now, is it?
    Nope*


    * He says happily. Like the stopped clock though, I may be right by accident at some time or another. The sooner the better.
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