i am fully aware the all governments in recent history have been coalitions, regardless of the make up of the coalition.Originally Posted by qtman
the GP decision to enter government and to support the current health strategy given their opposition to it before the GE is as much hypocritical / / opportunistic / realpolitiks as O'Keeffe standing for election in the GE as a FF candidate despite his misgivings / opinion on same
Enda Kenny on FF government: “We’re in this mess, not because Fianna Fáil policies have failed, but because they have succeeded.”
It is clear now that the Greens have more concern for human's carbon footprint than human's right to equitable health care.
They have backed Harney and her priority agenda item of co-location to the detriment of every other metric in the health system. She is clueless about real solutions so simply wants to bypass real progress by this madcap scheme. The evidence for universal health care is staring her in the face but she ignores it, it is beyond her comprehension or she is too thick to see it. The Greens agree with this plan. FF/PD's have had 10 years! The Greens have lost all sense of justice on Health because they are in Govt?
Slagging of NOK is pretty pathetic when numerically the Greens could have done something genuine.
Would Ahern have called another election had the no confidence motion on Harney been passed: highly unlikely.
Would it have put pressure on other backbenchers and independents; highly likely.
Would Harney have survived; highly unlikely.
Would a change make much of a difference, given the current make-up of the gov; highly unlikely but at least it would indicate that Ministers are ultimately responsible for their departments and not pub openings.
What we are reduced to is no accountability, no repercussions for fatal blunders.
Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge even where there there is no river. - Nikita Khrushchev
The GP is not the Government.qtman You are correct that FF policy has not changed - But Clearly Green Party Policy has.If O'Keeffe had any real moral courage he wouldn't have stood for FF in the General Election. Government health policy hasn't changed in the last 7 days.
The Government is not the GP.
The totality of GP policy is not the totality of Government policy.
The totality of Government policy is not the totality of GP policy.
The GP is one of 3 parties that contributes to Government policy.
The agreement between these parties dictates that each will have input into policy in return for supporting the totality of Government policy.
Accordingly, FF are required to support fixed reductions in CO2 emissions, which they do not as a party, and the GP are required to support co-location, which they do not as a party.
Neither FF of GP policy has changed. They have simply agreed to combine elements of each of their policy platforms in order to form a stable Government.
So, cllr, GP policy has not changed, and will not change until agreement to change any given policy is agreed by 2/3rd of delegates at our Annual Convention.
The only way to change the world is to win elections.
But government mismanagement of the health service has become all to clear in recent weeks - more so than last May. Government is about more than making policy, you know. Its about running the country effectively on behalf of the people.
"Elite - a small superior group; esp one that has a power out of proportion to its size." (Oxford English Dictionary)
The majority cannot therefore be the elite.
The only part of the health policy we opposed was co-location. We also proposed a lot of new measures.i am fully aware the all governments in recent history have been coalitions, regardless of the make up of the coalition.
the GP decision to enter government and to support the current health strategy given their opposition to it before the GE is as much hypocritical / / opportunistic / realpolitiks as O'Keeffe standing for election in the GE as a FF candidate despite his misgivings / opinion on same
How do you enter coalition if you aren't willing to accept that some of your policy positions will not make it into Government policy?
The only way to change the world is to win elections.
I have no idea, yet the PDs can do it with 2. Frankly, being neither a member or supporter of SF, I'm not too pushed.
"John Bull has got his hand down your pants and his fist around your bollox and you can't see it."
Okay, so it is still GP policy to oppose co-location but in practice they must support it as part of programme for government. Yesterday Gormley said "It is possible to get consensus on many issues and it should be possible to get it on the health issue because there does not appear to be a great difference between the parties on the question of health. "
What worrries me about this is
(a) the enthusiam with which he is apostilizing for policies which are not those of his party.
(b) the fact he doesn't seem realize that there are great differences between the policies of the parties in the Dail - including great differences between GP and FF/PD. Co-location on its own would preclude a multi-lateral approach.
Has he gone totally native?
The law locks up the man or woman, who steals the goose from off the common
But leaves the greater villain loose, who steals the common from off the goose.
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