RedC/SBP poll

[qtman]

Trinity Politics says that people are "just now bedding back to their normal lives.

Oireachtas politicians, teachers and lecturers, and barristers have two months vacations. Arre they the majority of the posters on this site?

Most other working folk have rather shorter holidays

Oireachtas politicians do not have 2 month holidays.

[The Trinity Politick]

Oh my God, it’s exactly as predicted by so many here, the Greens have been destroyed.
The average poster, right again, well damn me!!!!

Well I think at this point some of the vocal FG's on here should examine their consciences and start thinking about how to get out of the hole that they have dug for themselves and begin the long march back to reality.

Members conference should be interesting. I wonder will anyone still admit to having voted No at the Mansion House?

Shouldn't you guys wait longer than 100 days past the election to properly analyse the impact on GP polling?

Premature.......? I'm not saying it will go down or go up, im just saying this poll have revealed nothing substantial.

I'm not reading anything into this poll. It pretty much says that if the election was held again tomorrow the result would be the same. I never believed that there would be a meltdown in the GP support. GP voters know what they are voting for and knew that having to deal with FF was always a possibility.

Good good. Nothing new has happened politically since the election so its no surprise that people have not changed allegiances.

[Ard-Taoiseach]

So the biggest change in these polls is that there is no change?

[The Trinity Politick]

So the biggest change in these polls is that there is no change?

Not a single change from the election. Apparently people have voted in May and have yet to dip back into politicial mode

[pluralist]

Does the Green Party want to stop the Eastern Bypass? You can't , quite simply.

Your negotiation team told the public during the formation talks that the road program would go ahead as planned.

Events, dear boy, events:- http://futures.tradingcharts.com/chart/CO/M


If the Eastern Bypass goes ahead (and I don't mean if construction COMMENCES on this absurd project, but if its completed) I will not only eat my hat but I will recite every single one of Insider2007's posts from a loudhailer in Grafton Street.

Of course, I could be completely wrong. Maybe the people of Ireland ARE that stupid. But I hope not.

[CookieMonster]

So the biggest change in these polls is that there is no change?

No, all partys consolodated their votes.

[livingstone.]

One thing gives me a bit of hope. About one third say that ahern should not resign if proven to have lied to the tribunal. This seems to me to be a completely untenable position - surele all but the most blinkered supporters would say their leader should resign if they lied to a tribunal (i.e. committed perjury). I know I certainly wouldn't be defending Eamon Gilmore if it transpired he committed a serious crime. Yet it's about the same as the numbers who believe his story...so I assume they're the same people. Which means that of those who believe Ahern's story, most also believe that he should be allowed to get away with a crime with no political accountability...so those that believe him are only the most blinkered of supporters.

In terms of party support, no one's been thinking about politics since the election, or at least the formation of govt. It does show that there hasn't been a collapse in green support from going into govt...it may well occur if they fail to deliver. Likewise, FF, no collapse with ailing economy, shannon, mahon etc. Likewise no sympathy bounce either. Realistically, when it settles back into the Dail term and politics features a bit more on the news and front pages, when party leaders (this applies esp to Labour given that despite increased coverage, it's been in a position of flux for the past month and will be for another couple of weeks due to the election) and new front benches - and likewise Government ministers - people will start to pay a bit more attention and form more reliable opinions. I would imagine that SF is probably the more reliable...trend wise...with less media attention, less hype about the 'unstoppable rise' of SF, less speaking time in the Dail and less right to claim to be the party which represents the working class, I can imagine their support only drying up further.

[pluralist]

One thing gives me a bit of hope. About one third say that ahern should not resign if proven to have lied to the tribunal. This seems to me to be a completely untenable position - surele all but the most blinkered supporters would say their leader should resign if they lied to a tribunal (i.e. committed perjury). I know I certainly wouldn't be defending Eamon Gilmore if it transpired he committed a serious crime. Yet it's about the same as the numbers who believe his story...so I assume they're the same people. Which means that of those who believe Ahern's story, most also believe that he should be allowed to get away with a crime with no political accountability...so those that believe him are only the most blinkered of supporters.

I just think you're chasing up the wrong tree entirely. If Ahern is forced to resign, Cowen takes over as leader, big deal. There's never been any particular indication that the electorate view it as a huge issue. Some would argue that's a sad look out in terms of the people of Ireland allegedly tolerating or even approving of corruption, but that's a separate debate.

Do you really, in your heart of hearts, believe that what Ahern is alleged by some to have done (i.e, accepted 'dig-out' money from a coterie of builders) amounts to a serious crime? Because I'd venture that, if you do, you'd be out of step with the viewpoint of the majority of the electorate, right or wrongly.

[factual]

. I would imagine that SF is probably the more reliable...trend wise...with less media attention, less hype about the 'unstoppable rise' of SF, less speaking time in the Dail and less right to claim to be the party which represents the working class, I can imagine their support only drying up further.

[Pidge]

Well, I'm cautiously pleased with this.