RedC/SBP poll

[hiding behind a poster]

I think you're wrong. The debate in Labour will swing once again towards campaigning in the next general election as an independent party. Labour gains nothing from voting pacts with Fine Gael. As a result Fine Gael will most probably lose seats in the next general election as it has at every successive general election since 1973.

Dan, what are you on about? FG gained seats in the 80s and then up and down since.

Lost seats in 1977; Gained in 1981; Lost seats in February 1982 gained seats in November; Lost seats in 1987 won seats in 1989; Lost some again in 1992 won additional seats in 1997; Lost spectacularly in 2002 recovered well in 2007. Notice a pattern here?

Oh, well in that case let's just head for the bookies right now. Is this the extent of electoral analysis within the Green Party these days?

[djdbtd]

I think you're wrong. The debate in Labour will swing once again towards campaigning in the next general election as an independent party. Labour gains nothing from voting pacts with Fine Gael. As a result Fine Gael will most probably lose seats in the next general election as it has at every successive general election since 1973.

Dan, what are you on about? FG gained seats in the 80s and then up and down since.

Lost seats in 1977; Gained in 1981; Lost seats in February 1982 gained seats in November; Lost seats in 1987 won seats in 1989; Lost some again in 1992 won additional seats in 1997; Lost spectacularly in 2002 recovered well in 2007. Notice a pattern here?

Oh, well in that case let's just head for the bookies right now. Is this the extent of electoral analysis within the Green Party these days?

Yes but the other element of this pattern is that Fine Gael seats go up when it receives external support from Labour, and goes down when Labour contests elections as a seperate, independent party.

[KingKane]

I think you're wrong. The debate in Labour will swing once again towards campaigning in the next general election as an independent party. Labour gains nothing from voting pacts with Fine Gael. As a result Fine Gael will most probably lose seats in the next general election as it has at every successive general election since 1973.

Dan, what are you on about? FG gained seats in the 80s and then up and down since.

Lost seats in 1977; Gained in 1981; Lost seats in February 1982 gained seats in November; Lost seats in 1987 won seats in 1989; Lost some again in 1992 won additional seats in 1997; Lost spectacularly in 2002 recovered well in 2007. Notice a pattern here?

Oh, well in that case let's just head for the bookies right now. Is this the extent of electoral analysis within the Green Party these days?

Yes but the other element of this pattern is that Fine Gael seats go up when it receives external support from Labour, and goes down when Labour contests elections as a seperate, independent party.

And in neither case is there a pattern of support rising for Labour.

[hiding behind a poster]

Yes but the other element of this pattern is that Fine Gael seats go up when it receives external support from Labour, and goes down when Labour contests elections as a seperate, independent party.

Not strictly true. The only occasions in which a formal FG/Labour pact existed were 1973, 1997 and 2007. There was no such pact throughout the 1980s.

[Ard-Taoiseach]

So 60% of FF voters think it's ok to lie to a tribunal.

The people get what they deserve.

How do you derive that?

From the first post:

"59pc believe that he should resign if he is shown to have lied to the Tribunal incl. 40pc who voted FF"

So 60% (100-40) of the FF voters believe he needn't resign if he is shown to have lied to the tribunal.

But perhaps 100-40 is a bad calculation, some may have had no opinion on the matter.

Thanks for that. I was a bit non-plussed about that. I must read threads more thoroughly, I must read threads more thoroughly...

[drbob1972]

The big losers are SF. The polls have continually overestimated their vote in recent years. They are clearly on the decline.

Arrant nonsense! Sinn Féin are in fact the only party to increase their number of votes in each and every successive 26co general election since the 1980s.
Add to that the spectacular increases in the six counties and Sinn Féin are not on the wane at all - on the contrary they are waxing.

but thats irrelevant as the poll was for the ROI and not NI, ergo what SF or anyone else is doing in NI or Mongolia is irrelvent.

also on this much repeated mantrate that SF vote gains in every election what are you basing that on a direct FPV count in constituances that SF fielded canidates in 2002 and 2007 or just the total no of FPV's in total (which would be a misrepresentation as there were more candidates in 2007 than 2002)

So the north of our country is as important to you as mongolia....Is that an official FG position.....

just my personal opinion and actually not accurate, NI is as important to me as scotland or wales are and is far more important than mongolia