Think of the children !Originally Posted by Ronanr
1) The instability will cause greater turnover of the substitutes.
2) Temporary susbstitutes could be expected to be of inferior quality (who'd want worse job?)
3) If the TD ever wanted to be a teacher again they'd need substantial(costly) re-training
Is there likely to be any reciprocal outbreak of morality from Mary Hanafin (daughter of previous chief fundraiser Des Hanafin) ?
cYp
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In reality, i think no, because the teachers in that situation generally move on to a permanent position in a different school quite soon.Are there really people doing substitute teacher jobs for years who never acquire lots of the normal employment rights of their peers?
There are currently several thousand substitute teachers in Second level (don't know the primary figure but it wouldn't be as high).Are there really people doing substitute teacher jobs for years who never acquire lots of the normal employment rights of their peers?
Do they have no job security, no rights to redundancy pay or pensions?
Why don't we hear more about the plight of these people?
And yes you can be doing substitute work for years with no job security, no redundancy or pension.
If you are working in the same school for 4 years continuous then you have to be given the next available vacancy in the school - but only at the hours you worked the previous year (i.e if you worked 15 hours per week then you would be given a guaranteed 15 hours per week rather than a full-time position).
Outside of this - in secondary schools (not vec or comps) there are three panels
If a vacancy occurs in a school it is offered to the first suitable teacher who is surplus to requirements in their own school (i.e. if student numbers have dropped).
If there is no suitable candidates on the re-deployment panel, the vacancy is then offered to the first suitable candidate on the voluntary transfer panel (teachers who for personal reasons apply for a voluntary transfer)
If there is no suitable candidates on the voluntary panel, the vacancy is then offered to the first suitable candidate on the supplementary panel.
If there is no suitable candidates on the supplementary panel, the vacancy is then advertised.
As I said this applies to voluntary secondary schools (nuns, cbs etc)
In vec schools - teachers work on a panel and can be deployed to any school within the vec area. In comprehensive schools, the school advertises vacancies.
The government are currently in negotiations with the teachers unions to extend the re-deployment panels to all schools, not just the voluntary ones.
To get on the supplementary panel you have to to be registered with the teachers council and work at least 15 hours per week in one school for two continuous years or three years in more than one school.
To get full registration with the teachers council you have to work a minimum of 15 hours per week for one year. This is why so many newly qualified teachers go abroad to work up their teaching hours to get started with the hours they have to work up to get on the supplementary panel. There are currently about 3,500 teachers on the supplementary panel - and a lot more still working up hours to get onto the panel.
This is not to say that you will not be lucky and get a full-time job off the bat (particularly in science and maths) - but they are few and far between. Most newly qualified teachers have to go through the above process and it could take five years or more to get near a permanent job.
Sounds like quite a rigmarole!
But I thought from reading this site that all government jobs involved a pensioned post for life, from day one, handy number, no real work, etc. etc.
now now stop having ago at the teachers, everyone knows that our politicans loving making rules for themselves, like they should not all be allowed to draw down any type of pensions whether ministerial/army/teachers etc while they are currenyl seating in the Dail, and they should only be allowed to get their state pensions when the actual reach retirement age, the whole season needs an overall
I think everyone is in agreement that this needs to change, other than the politicians themselves.
But is it really the case that someone 10 years out of the job can walk back into it after that period of absence?
What do they do to make up for all the in-service days they've missed, and the curriculum development and everything else?
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Ah come on jmcc, Bertie offered to pay back the "dig-out" money he got from his friends, and FG acknowledged that he did the decent thing too.After being in the Dail since the 1970s? You've got some screwed up idea about "doing the decent thing".
Regards...jmcc
Didn't they ?
1,197 people agree with me.. how many agree with you ?
NoAh come on jmcc, Bertie offered to pay back the "dig-out" money he got from his friends, and FG acknowledged that he did the decent thing too.After being in the Dail since the 1970s? You've got some screwed up idea about "doing the decent thing".
Regards...jmcc
Didn't they ?
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Is it just teachers who have this entitlement or are all Public Service employees entitled to a similar leave of absence from their jobs should they be fortunate to get elected as TDs?
Well they would say that, wouldn't they? Perhaps I'm just too cynical about politicians and they really are doing this for the good of the country and the people.
Regards...jmcc
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