CJ Haughey - the legacy will live forever

[Congalltee]

I must take issue with you on Lynch he was a good honest man, more of a chairman than chief. If he had a fault it was that he lost control and allowed the likes of Haughey , Blaney, Boland etc rule the roost. This happened with the builders and the disgrace of arms importation in 1970.Taca and FF were there before Lynch took over, Lemass was a builders friend and a gambler, and fond of his drink too. Haughey accumulated millions from big business and builders. He even stole from Brian Lenihan's sick fund. And what a disgrace he got a state funeral. The root of all corruption in this staste can be traced back to him

A wonderfully naive view of Lynch. Though it is one which is shared by many. Give me Haughey over Lynch any day or any decade. Lynch was a hurler, who had no had no appreciation of what Fianna Fail The Republican Party stood for. He was an idealogically vacuos and economically illiterate. Ahern inherited the worst aspects of Lynch and Haughey. But Lynch gets away with murder time and time again.

[VoteFFno1]

People should have more respect for this man.

Some of the comments are disgraceful

[Congalltee]

Succession Act: So the rich can ensure their prohjeny stay rich and keep it from the poor.
Artist Exemption: Multi-millionaires exempted from paying tax. And Bertie Ahern. Don't forget either that the horse breeding multi-millionaires were exempted.
Social PArtnership: probably the single graetest contributor to the mess that we're in today.
Pushed through German unity???!!! hahahahahahaa
Restoration of government buildings So what? And ego builds a palace for himself in reality.
temple Bar: vomit strewn and vomit inducing. In fact Temple bar was developing into a pleasant place before Haughey got hold of it. Look at the kip that it is today.
NTMA involved creating a quango from a division within the dept of finance.
First links to the IRA - was that in 1970?

That is a weak response - but perhaps objective analysis is not your strong point?
Can you concede that Haughey left the economy is a far stronger position in 1992 than the one he inherited in 1987? (if you can't you are blinded by hatred, if you try to attribute it to Haughey's MoF or the leader of the opposition, then you are a fool)

[dalywise]

That is a weak response - but perhaps objective analysis is not your strong point?
Can you concede that Haughey left the economy is a far stronger position in 1992 than the one he inherited in 1987? (if you can't you are blinded by hatred, if you try to attribute it to Haughey's MoF or the leader of the opposition, then you are a fool)

Yes, I agree that it was. Thanks to he enagaging in policies that were completely at variance from what he campaigned on in 87. Health cuts hurt the sick the old and the handicapped he said. He soon showed that was perfectly corect.

Hatred? Yeah, well you know, I do have a hatred of hypocrites. I hate frauds who lie through their teeth. I hate tax dodgers especially since they penalise the rest of us. Especially as they mean services are cut to people who need them. I hate leaders who take millions from rich people because I happen to believe that those who pay the piper call the tune and it also makes this place look liee an African dictatorship.

But heck yes, CJ did get the economic stats to turn round. Pity about the rest. Pity about the health service that has never recovered from him.

[toughbutfair]

Haughey had helped put the country on its knees by 1987. His government after that was pushing at an open door once Dukes gave him the green light for tough medicine. No measure of greatness there.

And don't forget, had Haughey had his way, Ireland would have rejected the Single European Act, the implementation of which was the single greatest reason why Ireland was able to pull up its economic bootstraps.

By 1987 we'd had 5 years of FG/lab , however I agree his government of the early 80s had been a poor one. Labour's union buddies were running the show by 1987 and Dukes admitted that his government failed to make the tough decisions (lessons for today).

Haughey's government from 1987 was one of the greatest ever. Tough measures, big cuts, closed my local hospital, got the finances in order. Finances are the most important issue, bar none. He got us ready for a boom.

[toughbutfair]

Yes, I agree that it was. Thanks to he enagaging in policies that were completely at variance from what he campaigned on in 87. Health cuts hurt the sick the old and the handicapped he said. He soon showed that was perfectly corect.

Hatred? Yeah, well you know, I do have a hatred of hypocrites. I hate frauds who lie through their teeth. I hate tax dodgers especially since they penalise the rest of us. Especially as they mean services are cut to people who need them. I hate leaders who take millions from rich people because I happen to believe that those who pay the piper call the tune and it also makes this place look liee an African dictatorship.

But heck yes, CJ did get the economic stats to turn round. Pity about the rest. Pity about the health service that has never recovered from him.

I agree with nearly all you say, however the health service in 1987 before the cuts was worse than today.

Also, looking back he was proved right. It is correct to make cuts to the health service regardless of the pain it causes, if it is required to fix the finances so we can benefit in the long run.

[Roso25]

I must take issue with you on Lynch he was a good honest man, more of a chairman than chief. If he had a fault it was that he lost control and allowed the likes of Haughey , Blaney, Boland etc rule the roost. This happened with the builders and the disgrace of arms importation in 1970.Taca and FF were there before Lynch took over, Lemass was a builders friend and a gambler, and fond of his drink too. Haughey accumulated millions from big business and builders. He even stole from Brian Lenihan's sick fund. And what a disgrace he got a state funeral. The root of all corruption in this staste can be traced back to him

+1

[Tomas Mor]

People should have more respect for this man.

Some of the comments are disgraceful

Oh PS. I forgot to add that he was a proven perjurer and a thief

[bboruimhe]

The fact the boom was mismanaged doesnt' take away the fact that Haughey took the country from being on its knees to being ready to boom.

I think Haugheys most lasting legacy was the introduction of dishonesty, cronyism, and unaccountability as standard behaviour for modern politicians. Bertie is as dishonest as he is because his boss taught him that the only crime is getting caught.

[Congalltee]

I think Haugheys most lasting legacy was the introduction of dishonesty, cronyism, and unaccountability as standard behaviour for modern politicians. Bertie is as dishonest as he is because his boss taught him that the only crime is getting caught.

That is Lynch's legacy.