Should Fianna Failers be publically insulted or shunned?

[NewGoldDream]

Fianna fail need time in opposition so those of us who believe in the Party of de Valera, Lemass and Lynch can claim it back from the people who have taken it over to run as their own little fiefdom.

I agree. An arsekicking is well overdue, as is a purge of some of the contemptible characters that have taken over the party. Some people, including my own TD, the former CC, seem to have forgotten all about the responsibility that comes with power and solely thought of lining their own pockets or living the high life.

[ifreannach]

Being completely and totally honest??? No. The party hierarchy are detached not alone from the electorate but form their own grassroots, Fianna fail need time in opposition so those of us who believe in the Party of de Valera, Lemass and Lynch can claim it back from the people who have taken it over to run as their own little fiefdom.

it was the party of dev the scum that brought us to this place, what is wrong with you? FF are scum and those voting for them are no better

[code twinkle]

And if every right thinking person leaves Fianna Fail, what does that leave??? Everyone you hate most. Those of us who stay want to stay to try and get the party back.

Yeah, but if all the right thinking people left, surely wouldn't that lead to a weak party that would eventually wither away? And the right-thinking people could join FG and mould that party, which is not half as bent, yet is also not light years away from FF ideologically, in a direction they feel is beneficial to the country?

[MayoFFer]

Ok, thanks for the honesty. Obviously I think your historical reading on the merits of the party is rose tinted but that's politics!

Decent men in Fianna Fail did decent things and introduced decent policies over the years. As did Fine Gael.

[MayoFFer]

it was the party of dev the scum that brought us to this place, what is wrong with you? FF are scum and those voting for them are no better

Must be so much fun debating with you when you make such intellectual points when you argue.

[MayoFFer]

Yeah, but if all the right thinking people left, surely wouldn't that lead to a weak party that would eventually wither away? And the right-thinking people could join FG and mould that party, which is not half as bent, yet is also not light years away from FF ideologically, in a direction they feel is beneficial to the country?

Fine Gael is light years away from my philosophies, and from many Fianna fail people, who would find a more natural home in the Labour Party, and a tiny percentage in Sinn Fein. And if you left Fianna Fail full of the corrupt cute hoors they would never be killed off, thats exactly why they are cute hoors. they have to be pruged from within.

[NewGoldDream]

And the right-thinking people could join FG and mould that party, which is not half as bent, yet is also not light years away from FF ideologically, in a direction they feel is beneficial to the country?

It was only a few years ago after the second last general election that people were saying the opposite, that FG had no function or role in Irish politics and the members should join parties like FF and the PDs!

[SamVimesBoots]

those of us who believe in the Party of de Valera, Lemass and Lynch can claim it back from the people who have taken it over to run as their own little fiefdom.

De Valera, a crook who stole money meant for the war effort against the british and used it to set up his own propaganda newspaper and enrich his family? The man who presided over the first (and the second!) of FF's many economic collapses? The man who presided over the industrial schools and the magdalene laundries? The man who handed over control of social policy to nutters like McQuaid?

Lemass, the man that brought Haughey into the party and promoted him and did nothing to stop the TACA gang as they set about taking over the party and the country to enrich themsevels at our expense? The entire property bubble and the current total economic collapse all leads back to that - TACA. And Lemass did nothing.

Lynch, another gobdaw with lunatic economic policies that led to an economic collapse, the man who grovelled to Ted Heath the night of Bloody Sunday and apologised for the nasty Irish causing poor Ted so much trouble? The man who again failed to properly confront the TACA cancer, when it was still at a stage that it could have been stopped? A weak, indecisive dithering fool and a real contender for Worst Taoiseach Ever if it wasn't for the presence in the race of those catastrophic disasters Cowen, Ahern, Haughey, Dev and Liam Cosgrave?

[ifreannach]

Must be so much fun debating with you when you make such intellectual points when you argue.

as ive said before you cannot debate with someone who has no opinion of their own, generally that is the majority of people. they may debate but will lie and bend the truth to try to prove themselves right.

truth such a strange concept to irish politics just ask any taoiseach since the states inception

[katy brock]

And if every right thinking person leaves Fianna Fail, what does that leave??? Everyone you hate most. Those of us who stay want to stay to try and get the party back.

I'm sorry MayoFFer, but that line of reasoning doesn't bear scrutiny.
It's a bit like a Klansman in Mississippi saying he is going to stay in the Ku Klux Klan, because he feels he might be able to get the rest of the rednecks to love blacks.