Should Fianna Failers be publically insulted or shunned?

[DCon]

To call somebody a liar because of their political beliefs shows huge maturity on your part. perhaps you should consider getting to know someone before commenting on their integrity?

Read my post again.

I did not call you a liar because of your political beliefs. I called you a liar for stating it is

very difficult for these huge amounts to float around undeclared as you suggest

when in fact there is huge scope for political donations/bribes to be hidden. Read Mr. Coughlan's work if you need evidence. This fact is one of the major reasons for the utterly corrupt government we have to endure.

[Delusional or careerist?]

Shunning and insulting in public is fine, throwing eggs or other projectiles at two public reps - boyle and fahey, is not acceptable.

[drjimryan]

well, as a fianna failer for over 25 years now its a tough call.

I have met some very nice, capable and dedicated people and I hve met the worst type of gob********************e gombeens too.....

I have over the past number of years 'drifted' away due to moral dilemas whilst dealing with some party members......

I broke ranks on a number of occasions and was (i believe) one of the first active ff'ers on this site to say that ahernes game was up.......

I was asked just last night by a ff td to help out with some leaflets and this has left me with 2 questions.......1. should I help because hes a good man and does his best for his voters or 2. should I run a hundred miles because the game at this stage is really up and helping anyone, however good is merely helping the likes of aherne, cullen, dempsey, ocuiv (jasus I could go on).........

[NewGoldDream]

1. should I help because hes a good man and does his best for his voters

Not too sure I'd rely on the judgements here. Many posters will simply state that you are wrong and it is impossible to be a good man who works for voters, and also be in FF. Despite your 25 years of experience and the fact that you know this man, you will be told that you are a gombeen yourself, stupid, and probably on the take too.

[ifreannach]

Not too sure I'd rely on the judgements here. Many posters will simply state that you are wrong and it is impossible to be a good man who works for voters, and also be in FF. Despite your 25 years of experience and the fact that you know this man, you will be told that you are a gombeen yourself, stupid, and probably on the take too.

there is the crux, he does his best for his voters what about for the constituency in general and helping the people who need help instead of his voters

[wolf]

If not now, then when?

Starting with Bertie and his comic book, who should have cooper coins thrown at his feet whereever he goes (he needs the cash), Cowen should be ignored by all but the die hards, Coughlan cackled, Lenihan laughed at etc

But even ordinary members, would feel the wrath of public anger, and asked;-
1) why they are still in the Party or still support it?
2) how do they characterise transferring €54,000,000,000 from taxpayers to bond holders, if it is not theft?
3) How did Ministers expect that limos is the normal way to travel?
4) Why was FAS allowed spend €1bn on itself when we had full employment?
5) Can they stand over the fact that nobody gets punished for incompetence or corruption?

Question them, mock them, sneer, isolate any Fianna Failer you come accross:
- here
- pub
- mass
- facebook
whatever.

If it was fgood enough for the Landlord class of the 19th century, it is good enough treatment for the self-serving class on the start of the 21st.

Right On the button, but there's more.
1.Bertie bowl, How much? Lost
2.Electronic voting 52M Lost
3.BMW money western region. 5 Billion. Lost
4.HSE. Millions disappeared Lost
5.Overspend on Port tunnel. Millions? Lost
6. 300 Mile fishing exclusion zone. 200 Billion. Lost
7. Taking advantage of impressionable and greedy farmers alike, the ruination of farming and clean water in Ireland.
8.The giving away? of our National Resources Oil& Gas.

They [F Fail] and the opposition [For being useless in opposition] should be Banished from Ireland, for the way they have betrayed and treated the Irish People, who elected and trusted them to do right by them.
It's Time.
1. Protest at every opportunity.
2. Question the allegiance of your local Representative [is he working on your behalf or someone else's]
3. Question them on the legitimacy of the Lisbon referendum, and the Startling result?
4.To bring back REAL Politics, REAL Representation on our behalf in Europe. REAL Accountability on every spend in politics, its our money.
5.New Political parties.New blood and new ideas.
6. Motivate the farmer to produce more and allow them to sell cheaper and more directly to the nation.

The time is now.
We're better people than our so called Elected Representatives give us credit for.
Its Time.

5.

[NewGoldDream]

there is the crux, he does his best for his voters what about for the constituency in general and helping the people who need help instead of his voters

Do you know the 'he' in question then? Who is 'he'?

Or are you just taking the posters words very literally, and assuming you can pass judgement on his whole career as a result of one word in one post?

I would have thought you should at least ask the poster for clarification as to whether he meant this rep was a hard worker, or just a man who worked for his own and did nothing for anyone else.

[ifreannach]

Do you know the 'he' in question then? Who is 'he'?

Or are you just taking the posters words very literally, and assuming you can pass judgement on his whole career as a result of one word in one post?

I would have thought you should at least ask the poster for clarification as to whether he meant this rep was a hard worker, or just a man who worked for his own and did nothing for anyone else.

the proof is in the pudding my dear

[NewGoldDream]

the proof is in the pudding my dear

Proof?

Do you even know who you are talking about? If you do, give us a name anyway. If not, permission to laugh at your nonsense?

As for the 'dear', nice try 'petal'.

[ifreannach]

Proof?

Do you even know who you are talking about? If you do, give us a name anyway. If not, permission to laugh at your nonsense?

As for the 'dear', nice try 'petal'.

ah flower, do you not live on this island? yes i do know what i am talking about sadly i deal with ff ******************** everyday. the name is irrelevant at this point as it could be any party hack in any party who puts party before people and country

up to you dear to show me one ff politican who put the people of his/her constituency before party politics