Should Fianna Failers be publically insulted or shunned?

[west'sawake]

You should be categorised as 'in the tent'.

Lenihan went against the advice of his own department and added a bank that behaved in a utterly reckless manner to the guarantee. Anglo-Irish bank will remain a millstone around the taxpayers neck for generations, and for what? Keep Seanie Fitz an co. from facing bankruptcy procedures? Stop the so-called Golden circle from going under?

Lenihan got described as the second worst Eurozone finance minister by the Financial Times. He raised VAT when we share a land border with the UK. NAMA is financial lunacy, and he's taking advice from the bondholders, who couldn't care less about the Irish taxpayer as long as they get their cut.

If you're impressed by his confident delivery, and his utter conviction that's he's right, then I assume you must have been the victim of quite a few scams in the past few years.

There is a hell of a difference between being in Govt and being in opposition, (or in the media and as an armchair critic). Also, I couldn't give tuppence for what the F.T writes, fact is they were peeved that Lenihan in acting as he did made it difficult for the U.K to prevent capital outflows to the point that they too had to guarantee deposits, in other words, they followed where Lenihan led. Much easier for the F.T. to knock the Irish man, What else would you expect from the paper that helped thwart the late Tony Ran's attempt to float GPA?

As I said I am not flying a kite for F.F. but I do admire Brian Lenihan, I think he acted quickly, and decisively, and I believe history will judge him well, While many here can engage in the trivial pursuit of having wisdom with hindsight, the man had to act quickly and thank God he did. Would you prefer a banking collapse and everyone's savings gone? I will never forget the words of Professor Ray Kinsella', UCD Graduate School of Finance, on Morning Ireland, during the height of crisis, when asked what should the country do, 'pray' he replied. I really don't believe many posters here understand what Lenihan was thrown into. He kept his head while many around him in the media, and here, were losing theirs.

I also think that if Kenny and Gilmore were in Govt at this time, wise heads like Ruairi Quinn would have led them to 'eventually' see that they would have to do as Lenihan did. That is if Gilmore would have had Quinn in Cabinet.

[TommyO'Brien]

You have utterly missed the point.

No I haven't. The point is that you believe it is right to shun and boycott those who politically you disagree with.

And you then think you are a democrat!

No Fianna Failer will respond to a thread entitled "20 questions on why Nama is theft" or "Can any FF'er defend economic policy for the last 5 years" etc

FF people need to be drawn in a thread to be challanged (some of them are intelligent, if overly involved in groupthink).

I asked 5 very simple questions in the OP - I expanded on them later. Only one poster has had a stab at answering them.

In a democracy people have a right to answer questions, but also a right not to answer questions. You have no god-given right to demand that people do what you want when and where you want it. That is the sort of arrogance associated with FF. It is a bit rich for you to get as arrogant and self-righteous as they are.

[Fing Fers]

If not now, then when?

Starting with Bertie and his comic book, who should have cooper coins thrown at his feet whereever he goes (he needs the cash), Cowen should be ignored by all but the die hards, Coughlan cackled, Lenihan laughed at etc

But even ordinary members, whould feel the wrath of public anger, and asked;-
1) why they are still in the Party or still support it?
2) how do they characterise transferring €54,000,000,000 from taxpayers to bond holders, if it is not theft?
3) How did Ministers expect that limos is the normal way to travel?
4) Why was FAS allowed spend €1bn on itself when we had full employment?
5) Can they stand over the fact that nobody gets punished for incompetence or corruption?

Question them, mock them, sneer, isolate any Fianna Failer you come accross:
- here
- pub
- mass
- facebook
whatever.

If it was fgood enough for the Landlord class of the 19th century, it is good enough treatment for the self-serving class on the start of the 21st.

I would'nt even waste my breath on them, with FF any publicity is good publicity. The fact I have to waste 20 secs of my life on them typing this up, annoys me.

[Delusional or careerist?]

No I haven't. The point is that you believe it is right to shun and boycott those who politically you disagree with.

And you then think you are a democrat!



In a democracy people have a right to answer questions, but also a right not to answer questions. You have no god-given right to demand that people do what you want when and where you want it. That is the sort of arrogance associated with FF. It is a bit rich for you to get as arrogant and self-righteous as they are.

Clearly I over-estimated you. Nevermind. Move along.
Go back to reading the new PfP, or Ahern's book or other works of fiction.
If that is you attitude stay away from Matt Cooper's book (Who Really runs Ireland?) or Drumcondra Mafia or any book with big words.

[NewGoldDream]

I would'nt even waste my breath on them.

Wild guess, your avatar is a reference to FF?

[Mark Coughlan]

10) I assume you have proof of this undeclared monies?? The electoral law in this country is pretty clear and pretty watertight and makes it very difficult for these huge amounts to float around undeclared as you suggest.

I'm not going to comment on the other points but this tenth point is false. I'd argue it is quite the opposite of "watertight". It is quite easy for large donations to be funneled into the system undeclared.

I have written about how it can be done, here - Want to bypass our donations system? No problem – The Story

[DCon]

I'm not going to comment on the other points but this tenth point is false. I'd argue it is quite the opposite of "watertight". It is quite easy for large donations to be funneled into the system undeclared.

I have written about how it can be done, here - Want to bypass our donations system? No problem – The Story

As a FFer he will know this to be the case. By stating otherwise he is just proving himself a liar.

[malahide mullet]

How could I not love a party that so inflames the hate of the useless hippy folk of P.ie

[The Underdog]

TO ANYONE WITH A FIANNA FAIL AVATAR

Your insignia is as welcome in the currently ruined Ireland, as the NSDAP logo was in the ruins of 1945 Germany.

We want to build a new Ireland now. Leave us in peace. Leave quietly with you're ill gotten gains while you still have the chance.

because if you don’t, be under no illusion, every day you’re lynch mob is coming closer . . and we (the ashamed ex-Fianna Fail voters) are going to hang you high for the vermin you are.

[MayoFFer]

As a FFer he will know this to be the case. By stating otherwise he is just proving himself a liar.

To call somebody a liar because of their political beliefs shows huge maturity on your part. perhaps you should consider getting to know someone before commenting on their integrity?