Should Fianna Failers be publically insulted or shunned?

[BJ]

[QUOTE=Delusional or careerist?;2230940]If not now, then when?

Starting with Bertie and his comic book, who should have cooper coins thrown at his feet whereever he goes (he needs the cash), Cowen should be ignored by all but the die hards, Coughlan cackled, Lenihan laughed at etc

But even ordinary members, whould feel the wrath of public anger, and asked;-
1) why they are still in the Party or still support it?
2) how do they characterise transferring €54,000,000,000 from taxpayers to bond holders, if it is not theft?
3) How did Ministers expect that limos is the normal way to travel?
4) Why was FAS allowed spend €1bn on itself when we had full employment?
5) Can they stand over the fact that nobody gets punished for incompetence or corruption?

Question them, mock them, sneer, isolate any Fianna Failer you come accross:
- here
- pub
- mass
- facebook
whatever.
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bring it on!

[NewGoldDream]

You know the posters who tell others what to do and how they should react to FFers?

Can I ask them what exactly they have done?

Ahern has made a few public appearances now. Cowen, Lenihan, Coughlan....none of them are in hiding.

So have those posters actually done anything? I didn't hear of anyone throwing money at Ahern myself.

[west'sawake]

Sorry, but that's just deranged.

Lenny is a spoofer, a liar, and an extremely dangerous individual who has been pushing disastrous, catastrophic and lunatic policies like the Guarantee and NAMA, he has completely failed to take any action to correct the public finances which have ben slumping for three years now, he refuses to tackle the waste and croneyism and jobs-for-the-boys in the HSE or the 800 other quangoes that serve no useful purpose except to divert taxpayers money to FF croneys, his instinct is to hit hard at the poorest and weakest in society first and often.

Yet to you he is someone with "ability"! Ability to do what exactly, bankrupt the Republic?

FFS, you are either dumb as a brick or corrupt, there's no other explanation.

It is so easy to be an armchair critic. Lenihan acted with speed and urgency in ensuring this country did not go into a financial meltdown, he even got rapped by the E.U commission and Merkel et al only for the Frauline to follow the same course of action our man pursued.

It was quite clear that Lenihan went without sleep for days to see this country through a serious liquidity crisis, whether you like it or not his actions with the guarantees, mini budgets, pension levy, NAMA, stabilised the situation,

The truth is F.G. would pass a NAMA type bill themselves, as would Gilmore. Also, Lenihan was outside the Bertie loop for years, and was not part of the cabal that brought the country to where it is now. Most fair minded political commentators see him as beng way ahead of Cowan in knowing what to do, and understanding that the Partnership process is part of the problem and can never be part of the solution. While Cowan dithers, Lenihan acts,

When I see F.G and Labour come up with solutions rather than platitudes, generalities and whining about the mess FF made, I might believe they will do better. As of now, I stand by what I wrote, Lenihan inspires confidence,Kenny, Gilmore et al do not and they are only up in the polls by default and through nothing they can offer and that is simply not good enough.

[just_society2]

Well fair enough, if you genuinely believe that genocide and concentration camps provide a valid answer then you are a sick and twisted person, rather than a person with sick and twisted jokes.

In this instance SamVimesBoots is comparing FF to the Nazi's rather than the Jews. High ranking Nazi's were publicly shunned, barred from holding office, and jeered at after the second world war. I wouldn't advocate camps personally, but we need to purge the Irish people of the FF mindset, and the only way to do it is through public disgrace of FF members.

Leo Varadkar said we need to de-Fianna-Failify Ireland also. I fully agree with him.

[Victor Meldrew]

Ha!

I like it!

This album is bombastic and egotistical. The album by Bono and U2, on the other hand...

!!!!!!!!

Touche. Fair point. Which makes Simple Mind's crapness an achievement. U2's old stuff is still worth a listen.

[NewGoldDream]

In this instance SamVimesBoots is comparing FF to the Nazi's rather than the Jews.

Just so that there is no doubt, look at what he said...

Publicly insulted, shunned, jeered at, removed from their jobs as a security and corruption risk, forced to wear a yellow €10 note so decent honest people can avoid the filth on the street, banned from marrying or breeding with decent people, herded into camps with any of their vile progeny.

Forced to wear some distinguishing mark, restrictions on breeding, 'herded into camps...with their vile progeny'. Sorry, but just don;t accept that there was some confusion in my interpretation.

It's quite clear to me what he means, and when repeatedly challenged on it he himself did not reach for the reasoning you adopt.

Anyway, back to my question above. Have these people who are telling others what to do done anything themselves? Easons in Dublin and Cork is pretty accessible to everyone.

[just_society2]

It is so easy to be an armchair critic. Lenihan acted with speed and urgency in ensuring this country did not go into a financial meltdown, he even got rapped by the E.U commission and Merkel et al only for the Frauline to follow the same course of action our man pursued.

It was quite clear that the Lenihan went without sleep for days to see this country through a serious liquidity crisis, whether you like it or not his actions with the Guarantees, mini budgets, pension levy, NAMA, stabilised the situation.

You should be categorised as 'in the tent'.

Lenihan went against the advice of his own department and added a bank that behaved in a utterly reckless manner to the guarantee. Anglo-Irish bank will remain a millstone around the taxpayers neck for generations, and for what? Keep Seanie Fitz an co. from facing bankruptcy procedures? Stop the so-called Golden circle from going under?

Lenihan got described as the second worst Eurozone finance minister by the Financial Times. He raised VAT when we share a land border with the UK. NAMA is financial lunacy, and he's taking advice from the bondholders, who couldn't care less about the Irish taxpayer as long as they get their cut.

If you're impressed by his confident delivery, and his utter conviction that's he's right, then I assume you must have been the victim of quite a few scams in the past few years.

[katy brock]

It is so easy to be an armchair critic. Lenihan acted with speed and urgency in ensuring this country did not go into a financial meltdown, he even got rapped by the E.U commission and Merkel et al only for the Frauline to follow the same course of action our man pursued.

It was quite clear that the Lenihan went without sleep for days to see this country through a serious liquidity crisis, whether you like it or not his actions with the Guarantees, mini budgets, pension levy, NAMA, stabilised the situation,

The truth is F.G. would pass a NAMA type bill themselves, as would Gilmore. Also, Lenihan was outside the Bertie loop for years, and was not part of the cabal that brought the country to where it is now. Most fair minded political commentators see him as beng way ahead of Cowan in knowing what to do, and understanding that the Partnership process is part of the problem and can never be part of the solution. While Cowan dithers, Lenihan acts,

When I see F.G and Labour come up with solutions rather than platitidues, generalities and whining about the mess FF made, I might believe they will do better. As of now, I stand by what I wrote, Lenihan inspires confidence, I just wish Kenny, Gilmore et al did as well, They are only up in the polls by default and through nothing they can offer and that is simply not good enough.

Maybe a lack of sleep would explain some of Lenihan's mistakes. No amount of spin is going to make NAMA go away. Lenihan panicked when confronted by the bank chiefs, and in the true spirit of his tribe, is unable to back down. True enough, I would a tiny bit more faith in him than I would in Cowen, Coughlan, or the rest, but to be honest, if I sent a child of mine down to the shop for a sliced pan and he came home and told me he payed a tenner for it (and borrowed the money), I'd break his head.
Lenihan has no sense.

[NewGoldDream]

Which makes Simple Mind's crapness an achievement. U2's old stuff is still worth a listen.

It's all so subjective. Gave up on U2 many years ago. And gotta say that I dislike every SM album since Street Fighting Years. But of either band, SM far far ahead, if just for their early new wave and dance oriented music as opposed to their bombastic stadium thumping stuff. Both SM and U2 made one thing clear, music, politics and football stadia don't mix well, think of the tunes, not our children.

[Question R24U]

In this instance SamVimesBoots is comparing FF to the Nazi's rather than the Jews. High ranking Nazi's were publicly shunned, barred from holding office, and jeered at after the second world war. I wouldn't advocate camps personally, but we need to purge the Irish people of the FF mindset, and the only way to do it is through public disgrace of FF members.

Leo Varadkar said we need to de-Fianna-Failify Ireland also. I fully agree with him.

How many Celia Larkins, Rody Molloys etc have FF appointed to State boards - either paid or with expenses? (answer: all of them)
How many judges, regulators, senior gardai , press complaint, RTE board members have FF appointed? (answer: most of them, but that of itself is not necessarily damning)

Rather than compare with the Nazis, the best comparator is 1932 when Dev got found and found a Civil/Public service which was largely hostile. Those who were unwilling to work for the betterment of the country left, while the majority remained and got on with their jobs.