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    Originally Posted by carlovian
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    More than the vulture funds that your party brought in have paid in tax ?
    My party didn't bring in vulture funds.
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    Originally Posted by damus
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    Theres no such thing as free living. People in social housing pay rent albeit at a lower rate depending on their means...electricity, gas, fuel and normal day to day expenses that go with running and maintaining a household. Rather than vilainizing people perhaps we need to take a critical look at the system that creates dependency and these sort of welfare traps and leads people in to this situation. There has to be a safety net. That's not saying that there arent people who are abusing the system...but that comes down to the pitfalls in policing these services.

    For example....I knew a lone parent who was renting a social house and living with her partner who was the father of some of her kids. This individual himself had two houses that he rented out to other family members....along with a business. The woman was working part time which allowed her to earn a certain amount and to retain her allowance. Now the corporlast introduced this scheme were tenants could purchase their house at a discounted price. Nobody questioned where this lone parent with a limited income got the money....how she got a mortgage etc...from Revenue, DCC to the DSP.

    There are people who are in genuine need and those who are at the other end of the spectrum.
    Correct

    There needs to be a body similar to Welfare Investigation that is involved in this that has power to check Social Housing tenants are not abusing system including having a house which they rent out to someone else.
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    Originally Posted by Ramon Mercadar
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    Mannix Flynn would prefer to house bears in Apollo House and then set fire to it.
    Nasty little comment
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    Originally Posted by carlovian
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    Are you seriously asking a FG poster whether they have a provision with social housing ?

    Last year the FG government built 72 social houses.

    They arent exactly fans.
    I'm curious as to why government policy seems to be to not build social housing? Apart from the fact that any government building project costs ridiculous amounts of money (I heard cost of refurbishing flats in Dolphins barn are coming to 475,000 euro per flat) from the 50's on around the country there were decent sized and quality developments built that did not have any social problems so why has it completely stopped? It seems to be exactly the same situation in the Uk.
    The money to build is readily available to borrow and must surely be better value than renting from private landlords.
    A friend of mine has 4 one bed apartments in a nice part of the city centre rented to Dublin Corporation for 1250 per month each. A 3 bed in the same building is renting at 3,500 to a private individual, not on social welfare.

    Part of the homeless problem is the need for some people to be accommodated in the area they came from. They are not working so the corporation must compete in the rental market with some well paid working person for the limited bit of prime location living space. This situation will only get worse and worse as time progresses. Even paying 1250 a month for a one bed is cheaper than the corporation paying 140 a night for a hotel room.
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    Time to clear out the Apollo Doss House.
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    Originally Posted by odie1kanobe
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    So do Councils liase with Revenue Commisioners to verify income ?
    They can do, yes. Generally local authority housing was for those on low incomes.

    Personally, I think Government should provide it for people on not only low, but medium income people too.. in fact, anyone on less than 100,000 if they want it.

    Take land speculators and developers out of the provision of the majority of housing. Keep the amount of disposable income used to pay rent at as low a level as possible, and encourage the spending of the extra income not spent on rent, in other goods and services which boost employment.

    Also, use the constant rent flow to provide for future pensions..

    Jesus lads.. it's not that hard to figure out when you think about it.

    Put it like this.. I grew up on a local authority housing estate in the 1970's/80's..

    We were relatively debt free as a family because

    1. We didn't need to have huge debt.. no mortgage..

    2. We had nothing of note to use as collateral towards taking out huge debt

    Now we have people who realistically had local authority housing been available, would be relatively debt free living in LA housing..

    Instead they are up to their oxters paying huge mortgages in "private estates"....

    The only difference between most private estates and former LA estates.. is the assumption of debt has moved from the LA to the individual..
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    Originally Posted by hiding behind a poster
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    My party didn't bring in vulture funds.
    “You criticise me for not intervening with vulture funds. Well, it was a compliment when they were so dubbed in America because vultures, you know, carry out a very good service in the ecology. They clean up dead animals that are littered across the landscape.”



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    Originally Posted by odie1kanobe
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    So do Councils liase with Revenue Commisioners to verify income ?
    No. But the documentation that an applicant is required to send in so as to get on the housing list includes a Revenue certificate and full details of applicants' income - certified by the employer and/or the DSP - as well as payslips, P60s and the previous 3 months' bank/credit union statements. It's a pretty rigorous system.
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    Originally Posted by rockofcashel
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    They can do, yes. Generally local authority housing was for those on low incomes.

    Personally, I think Government should provide it for people on not only low, but medium income people too.. in fact, anyone on less than 100,000 if they want it.

    Take land speculators and developers out of the provision of the majority of housing. Keep the amount of disposable income used to pay rent at as low a level as possible, and encourage the spending of the extra income not spent on rent, in other goods and services which boost employment.

    Also, use the constant rent flow to provide for future pensions..

    Jesus lads.. it's not that hard to figure out when you think about it.

    Put it like this.. I grew up on a local authority housing estate in the 1970's/80's..

    We were relatively debt free as a family because

    1. We didn't need to have huge debt.. no mortgage..

    2. We had nothing of note to use as collateral towards taking out huge debt

    Now we have people who realistically had local authority housing been available, would be relatively debt free living in LA housing..

    Instead they are up to their oxters paying huge mortgages in "private estates"....

    The only difference between most private estates and former LA estates.. is the assumption of debt has moved from the LA to the individual..
    Is this a pīss take?
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    Originally Posted by damus
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    Well for some who can afford a mortgage but what happens those who cannot due to them being in low income employment, being ill or having their home repossessed? Do we just throw the vulnerable to the wolves and say though? People in social housing don't have their names on the deeds and it's not an asset that can be inherited or sold.
    Yes but it is an asset they buy at a huge discount when they are ready.
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