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    Quote Originally Posted by Passer-by View Post
    Well, I'd say the government should distribute a copy of that PDF to every household in the state and we can vote on it then.

    The Czech President, after all, said - during Lisbon - he was willing to lay down his political career for Irish democracy. I'd propose we should submit the protocol he insisted on to the electorate as soon as possible.
    Definitely. I'm looking forward to the p.ie debate on the implications of this clause for Ireland:

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    1. Listina nerozšiřuje možnost Soudního dvora Evropské unie ani jakéhokoliv soudu Polska či Spojeného království shledat, že právní a správní předpisy, zvyklosti nebo postupy Polska či Spojeného království nejsou v souladu se základními právy, svobodami nebo zásadami, které Listina potvrzuje.
    2. Zejména, a aby se předešlo jakékoliv pochybnosti, nic v hlavě IV Listiny nezakládá soudně vymahatelná práva platná v Polsku či ve Spojeném království, pokud tato práva nejsou stanovena ve vnitrostátním právu Polska či Spojeného království.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sondagefaux View Post
    Definitely. I'm looking forward to the p.ie debate on the implications of this clause for Ireland:
    Shhh - I want to see the opinion poll results first. I am predicting a solid No to both treaties although the Czech one may well have a smaller No vote than our one.

    That said, I am impressed they managed to come up with a 128 page protocol - their accession treaty probably wasn't as long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spanner Island View Post
    Oh God...

    We're in a right catch 22 mess.
    On the contrary, I think we've invented catch-23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsui2 View Post
    On the contrary, I think we've invented catch-23.
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    what a dilemma for lefty anti-estasblishment nutters.

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    Non specific quote from the IT
    " On the challenge facing the Government in any referendum, the official said it was “perfectly well” known that the answer the public gave would not be the answer to the question posed. “So it is nothing to do with democracy.” Fiscal treaty designed to avoid Irish referendum, official says - The Irish Times - Wed, Feb 01, 2012
    No wonder the wise read the newspaper back to front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sondagefaux View Post
    Definitely. I'm looking forward to the p.ie debate on the implications of this clause for Ireland:
    Článek 1
    1. Listina nerozšiřuje možnost Soudního dvora Evropské unie ani jakéhokoliv soudu Polska či Spojeného království shledat, že právní a správní předpisy, zvyklosti nebo postupy Polska či Spojeného království nejsou v souladu se základními právy, svobodami nebo zásadami, které Listina potvrzuje.
    2. Zejména, a aby se předešlo jakékoliv pochybnosti, nic v hlavě IV Listiny nezakládá soudně vymahatelná práva platná v Polsku či ve Spojeném království, pokud tato práva nejsou stanovena ve vnitrostátním právu Polska či Spojeného království.
    TBF i don't know if thats another language or just legal jibber jabber.
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