Poll: Stability Co-ordination and Governance in EMU Treaty.

[damoireland]

So as another poster here pointed out before.This whole FU treaty is about saving the euro and yet the EU will refuse aid to Ireland who will then default,triggering the exact thing that the treaty is designed to prevent.Clever thinking.

[spooneycooney]

You are a fascist,lets make no bones about it.You may get your yes vote this time but undemocratic bullying and fascist tactics will inevitably lead to a response.That response is likely to be violent.

What exactly are you on about?

[spooneycooney]

So as another poster here pointed out before.This whole FU treaty is about saving the euro and yet the EU will refuse aid to Ireland who will then default,triggering the exact thing that the treaty is designed to prevent.Clever thinking.

Or it gets rid of the PIIGS and makes the euro stronger?

[damoireland]

Or it gets rid of the PIIGS and makes the euro stronger?

So what? Germany can have a currency as strong as the Yen or the Swiss Franc? You think they are really that stupid? Cant wait to see their export figures then

[LDF]

So what? Germany can have a currency as strong as the Yen or the Swiss Franc? You think they are really that stupid? Cant wait to see their export figures then

Germany knows how to deal with a strong currency. They keep labour costs down to compensate.

[damoireland]

Germany knows how to deal with a strong currency. They keep labour costs down to compensate.

And you think that they can reduce labour costs to keep up with a doubling of the value of their currency? Thats utter nonsense.

[damoireland]

Remember the last time they had a strong currency the D mark? How was their economy then? Did their labour costs help them then?

[LDF]

And you think that they can reduce labour costs to keep up with a doubling of the value of their currency? Thats utter nonsense.

They survived with the DM being one of the strongest currencies in the World. The Euro wasn't created so Germany could get a cheaper currency. The Euro was the price France extracted from Germany in return for supporting German reunification. It was never about economics.

[DownTheyGo]

Telegraph saying tonight they have text and if bailout countries .ie Ireland don't agree to it, they don't get more aid.The EU fiscal draft treaty: in full - Telegraph

The EU fiscal draft treaty: in full - Telegraph

Someone one on the Vincent Browne thread lastnight said that Pearse Doherty claimed the Irish goverment insisted on this. Is this true and if so why?

Pearse Doherty claimed on VB show on Tuesday night that one of the Irish negotiators or advisors to the treaty draft was advised by FG to include the 'no more money' clause and FG will drive home a yes vote on that basis.

Check back on VB thread, I commented on it but not many else did.

[commonman]

mmm It's not exactly the Gettysburg address.

The German view that economic growth can only be achieved through austerity is writ large. There is no good news in this for Ireland. Be very careful Taoiseach and Tanaiste. This is your first big test.

There will be two or three votes on this until the government get there way, they will fill us with lies at which they are good at. like vote yes for jobs remember that lie for one .