Dispelling the Myth of "Eurabia"

[Garibaldy]

Well if its not clerics like having Influence over some giving these surveys and stories
I dont know whats behind the Influence.And cant help but wonder whats behind the
Influence given these surveys

and I dont mean those specific clerics in the videos



A third of Muslim students back killings - Times Online



Islamic groups want Germany Sharia law warns Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble - News - Bild.de



Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph


Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims | Mail Online

YouTube - Some British Teachers Drop the Holocaust to Appease Muslims


What possibe group or who do you think is after Influencing schools to do that now?



And I condemm stuff like that being advocated



Well if you think its false and
the recent statistics are lies thats your business

That Holocause being dropped from schools story is an outright lie, and has been proven to be such. Again, there has been a story on the BBC about it from several years ago. It pops up every now and again in the most emailed list on the BBC News website.

As for sharia, that's a very wide term, and can mean simply recognition of Muslim courts for divorce etc. Just as Jewish courts are recognised in the law. Personally, I'd tell all religion where to go when it comes to the law, which is the proper business of the state only.

[The Riddler]

That Holocause being dropped from schools story is an outright lie, and has been proven to be such. Again, there has been a story on the BBC about it from several years ago. It pops up every now and again in the most emailed list on the BBC News website.

As for sharia, that's a very wide term, and can mean simply recognition of Muslim courts for divorce etc. Just as Jewish courts are recognised in the law. Personally, I'd tell all religion where to go when it comes to the law, which is the proper business of the state only.

No lessons on the Holocaust - Telegraph

That Holocause being dropped from schools story is an outright lie

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Well if its a lie I havent seen the daily mail/Fox news and the telegraph retract it

Unless they do so

Iv no reason to believe its a lie

As for sharia, that's a very wide term, and can mean simply recognition of Muslim courts for divorce etc

Did you read that whole article about 40 per cent wanting Sharia law?

The most startling finding is the high level of support for applying sharia law in "predominantly Muslim" areas of Britain.


Islamic law is used in large parts of the Middle East, including Iran and Saudi Arabia, and is enforced by religious police. Special courts can hand down harsh punishments which can include stoning and amputation

[Garibaldy]

No lessons on the Holocaust - Telegraph

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Well if its a lie I havent seen the daily mail/Fox news and the telegraph retract it

Unless they do so

Iv no reason to believe its a lie



Did you read that whole article about 40 per cent wanting Sharia law?

Have a read of this. The UK government says the story is a lie.

BBC NEWS | UK | Education | UK government acts on hoax e-mail

And as for the 40%, it's unclear exactly what is meant by sharia law. There is evidence that it means the type of issues I mentioned above - and which the Archibishop o Canterbury raised - rather than chopping people's hands off for stealing. But like I say, no religion should have any role in the state or its laws. Including that ridiculous blasphemy law.

[midlander12]

There is not a whit of evidence that French Muslims have an average of 8.1 children. In fact France's overall birth rate is the joint highest in Europe along with Ireland, and many (white) French couples have up to 4 children. The proportion of fundamentalists among French Muslims is very low, and elections to their mosque authorities have consistently produced large majorities for moderates approved by the state. In fact, a cursory glance around the streets of French cities such as Nice, Nantes and Montpelier shows considerably more French-speaking non-veiled women and mixed couples than the apocraphyl burkha-clad mothers of 12. It may well be that 10% of French are Muslims, but I would say 'of Muslim background' and I doubt if half of them have ever been even inside a mosque. The secular ideology of the French state is very pervasive and does not accomodate the sort of religious ghettos one sees particularly in the north of England.

[gnasher]

Well if its not clerics like having Influence over some giving these surveys and stories
I dont know whats behind the Influence.And cant help but wonder whats behind the
Influence given these surveys

and I dont mean those specific clerics in the videos

A third of Muslim students back killings - Times Online

Islamic groups want Germany Sharia law warns Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble - News - Bild.de

Poll reveals 40pc of Muslims want sharia law in UK - Telegraph

Teachers drop the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims | Mail Online

YouTube - Some British Teachers Drop the Holocaust to Appease Muslims

What possibe group or who do you think is after Influencing schools to do that now?

And I condemm stuff like that being advocated

Well if you think its false and
the recent statistics are lies thats your business

I DON'T think recent statistics are lies. The fact is that fertility rates in Germany have been essentially stable for the last ten years, rising recently, while in the UK they've rose to a 34 year high in 2007. See below for further info, and a very neat demolishing of some of the spurious sort of bullsh*t that is your stock in trade.[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mINChFxRXQs]From the BBC[/ame].

Garibaldy above has posted a link that should (but probably won't) put that Holocaust teaching story to bed. It's just rubbish, and your insistence that it MUST be true because you read it in the papers is at best stupidly naive.

With regard to the Times story you link to that claims "a third of Muslim students back killings" (what killings specifically?), it's just more of the same nonsense. The question the 632 students were asked was: "Is it ever justifiable to kill in the name of religion?" Four per cent agreed that it was justifiable "in order to preserve and promote that religion" and 28% agreed that it was justifiable "only if that religion is under attack". Fifty-three per cent agreed that killing in the name of religion is "never justifiable". Try and imagine how many Western people would support retaliatory killing if there were Muslim forces invading and bombing Western Europe. Do you think it would be higher or lower than 28%?

The way that you've dropped your insupportable claims about an imminent Eurabia and moved on to common-or-garden Islamophobia is telling. Of course, if you want to believe that Muslims pose a huge threat to our way of life and that significant numbers of them are murderous, then good luck to you. But it really has no basis in fact.

[The Riddler]

The way that you've dropped your insupportable claims about an imminent Eurabia

I never said out straight there was gonna be an imminent Eurabia

What I did say in one of my posts was to keep an eye on Birth rate and trends and levels of Immigration

Islamophobia is telling

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01FPt0wH-vw]YouTube - Pat Condell about the Myth of Islamophobia[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoI2IvlKh_k]YouTube - 'Islamophobia' is a False Concept[/ame]

The Word phobia is defined as

a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Phobia Definition | Definition of Phobia at Dictionary.com

To label me or any other critics of Islam Such as Salman Rushdie as havng a phobia is Absurd

But just show how absurd it is

Imagine applying the term scienaphobe to critics of scientology

or imagine applying the term Wiccaphobe to Critics of Wicca

Or Imagine applying the term pagaphobe to critics of paganism

Or imagine applying the term faluphobe to critics of falun gong

or Imagine applying the term Buddaphobe to critics of Buddhism

They all make absurd terms
All absurd false terms and concepts just as a false and absurd the concept of so called Islamiphobia

Of course, if you want to believe that Muslims pose a huge threat to our way of life and that significant numbers of them are murderous, then good luck to you. But it really has no basis in fact

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Something else Iv never said

What i did say Islam without reform or period of enlightment I see as a threat

And Im not the only one to think so

Most Dutch say Islam incompatible with West

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull

According to 56 percent of the Dutch, Islam is a threat to the Dutch identity.

http://patdollard.com/2008/03/most-d...dutch-history/

Islam poses a threat to the West, say 53pc in poll

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527...c-in-poll.html

[Malbekh]

Go away troll.

And if you don't see yourself as a troll, then please put forward proposals that you feel may remedy the situation?

Hiding behind YouTube, hiding behind 'statistics say', hiding behind weblinks. All you and your ilk can do is cut 'n paste items that back up your own blinkered views on reality.

If you have something to say, say it. And having said it, put forward a 'solution' in your own words. Or do you have the originality to do that?

[Clanrickard]

They have less than 10.000 between them in Britain. That's 10.000 more than either of us would like to see, but let's keep things in perspective. Even allowing for the fact that they probably have a lot more supporters and sympathisers than members, they are still a minority within a minority.
A recent detailed survey of muslims in Germany showed that only 33% regard themselves as "deeply religious" while 20% describe themselves as "not at all religious". I think it's fair to say not every "deeply religious" muslim is a potential or actual terrorist or threat to society. Either way, we see again that the extremists are a minority within a minority.

Yes they are a minority within a minority. Yes not every religious Muslim is a terrorist. I never said otherwise. But when 13% of British Muslims express sympathy for the 7/7 bombers it is time to take note. Throughout this thread people have tried to rubbish the Riddler but these same people either didn't or didn't bother to listen ot the extremists and what is driving them. They are driven by what they see as their religious duties as laid down in the Islamic holy texts. They make no reference to secular law or constitutions because they regard them as wrong or even evil. Thus they are a group quite capable of causing a lot of trouble or even bloodshed.

I don't think there will be Eurabia, nor do I think there are hordes of mad Mullahs and there followers waiting to swamp us. But there a significant number of Muslims in Europe who refuse to integrate into, and are hostile to, Western culture. They can be influential and they are often in leadership positions within Muslim communities. They need to be challenged and if necessary an eye needs to be kept on them and their bona fides needs to be checked out...thoroughly.

The link here tells of an anti-Semitic Saudi cleric being feted at a London Mosque. This runs to the heart of the problem.
Anti-Semitic Saudi chief imam feted in London
The cleric called Jews "scum" and "rats" amongst other things but the Muslims community have not criticized him or condemned him but welcomed him with open arms. Why so? There are dozens of links I could give where this minority of extremists make incendiary comments but mainstream Islam not only refuses to condemn them but actually criticizes anyone who does. The Economist this week has a good article on the difficulty of going against the extremists and the grip they have on Islamic mainstream thought.

[The Riddler]

Go away troll.

And if you don't see yourself as a troll, then please put forward proposals that you feel may remedy the situation?

Hiding behind YouTube, hiding behind 'statistics say', hiding behind weblinks. All you and your ilk can do is cut 'n paste items that back up your own blinkered views on reality.

If you have something to say, say it. And having said it, put forward a 'solution' in your own words. Or do you have the originality to do that?

If anyone is a real troll on these forums its Gnasher repeatly trying to change subjects on different treads about who speaks what language,about where some people come from

Have a poke at the real troll why dont you?

[Dr Qasim Afridi]

All of this is to scare the European people...

Its obvious that Muslims are becoming politically aware everywhere at an alarming rate thats bad news for their puppets in the Muslim world (including Gaddhafi)... So they have to scare their own population to prepare them for the worst... i.e Muslims taking their destiny in their own hands and not letting Europe/America rip them of their wealth and resources...