Dispelling the Myth of "Eurabia"

[The Riddler]

What's your country of origin, by the way?

Ireland and not the UK as you claimed in another thread i was a poster from the UK

[Garibaldy]

it cant be disproven as it cant be predicted whether or not Turkey gains EU membership

it cant be predicted what the birth rates for native Europeans will be like in next 20 years

Not all of it is falsifiable, that is true. But the fundamental assumptions behind if can be challenged at its weak points. In the unlikely event you are interested in a more detailed exposition of my attitude, see the link below

Muslim Europe: The Scare Story du jour Garibaldy Blog

And I don't see what difference Turkey gaining EU membership would make. A huge proportion of Turkey's ostensible Muslims are fiercely secular, as is the Turkish state. So in fact Turkish accession might actually reduce the role of religion within the EU.

The biggest threat to European values today and in the foreseeable future comes from the far right, not from Islam.

[gnasher]

Ireland and not the UK as you claimed in another thread i was a poster from the UK

You're Irish? I don't think so. Have you any Gaeilge?

[Pig Destroyer]

it cant be disproven as it cant be predicted whether or not Turkey gains EU membership

it cant be predicted what the birth rates for native Europeans will be like in next 20 years

You churn out all this pie-in-the-sky conjecture about what proportion of Europe's population is going to be Muslim by whatever year several decades in the future and then when confronted by the real figures you retreat behind the "trends are impossible to predict" cop-out.
By your own logic, all this stuff you are posting is completely worthless.

[The Riddler]

Not all of it is falsifiable, that is true. But the fundamental assumptions behind if can be challenged at its weak points. In the unlikely event you are interested in a more detailed exposition of my attitude, see the link below

Muslim Europe: The Scare Story du jour Garibaldy Blog

And I don't see what difference Turkey gaining EU membership would make. A huge proportion of Turkey's ostensible Muslims are fiercely secular, as is the Turkish state. So in fact Turkish accession might actually reduce the role of religion within the EU.

The biggest threat to European values today and in the foreseeable future comes from the far right, not from Islam.

And I don't see what difference Turkey gaining EU membership would make. A huge proportion of Turkey's ostensible Muslims are fiercely secular, as is the Turkish state. So in fact Turkish accession might actually reduce the role of religion within the EU

Turks increasingly turn to Islamic extremism

Migration Watch UK - Turks increasingly turn to Islamic extremism <br /> Al Qaeda's reliance on Arabs is altering as recruits from Turkey and Turkic-speaking areas of Central Asia form a recent wave of trainees, experts say.

The biggest threat to European values today and in the foreseeable future comes from the far right, not from Islam

First it all depends on what parties you label far right,

The Bnp/Le Pen and others are far right and would be a threat if taken power

I agree

But Islam without reform or going through an enlightment period I see as a threat to Euro Values

[The Riddler]

You churn out all this pie-in-the-sky conjecture about what proportion of Europe's population is going to be Muslim by whatever year several decades in the future and then when confronted by the real figures you retreat behind the "trends are impossible to predict" cop-out.
By your own logic, all this stuff you are posting is completely worthless.

when confronted by the real figures

The real figures today and the real figures in 50 years are two different things

[Garibaldy]

Migration Watch UK - Turks increasingly turn to Islamic extremism <br /> Al Qaeda's reliance on Arabs is altering as recruits from Turkey and Turkic-speaking areas of Central Asia form a recent wave of trainees, experts say.



First it all depends on what parties you label far right,

The Bnp/Le Pen and others are far right and would be a threat if taken power

I agree

But Islam without reform or going through an enlightment period I see as a threat to Euro Values

There are far right parties in coalition governments in the EU, including Austria and Italy, as well as further east. And we can see the rise in repressive legislation in reponse. Just look at Italy.

As for Turkey and Islamism. It's a bit like saying that we should be terrified because the dissidents are growing in number. It's factually correct but misses the reality of how tiny a threat they represent.

[gnasher]

Migration Watch UK - Turks increasingly turn to Islamic extremism <br /> Al Qaeda's reliance on Arabs is altering as recruits from Turkey and Turkic-speaking areas of Central Asia form a recent wave of trainees, experts say.



First it all depends on what parties you label far right,

The Bnp/Le Pen and others are far right and would be a threat if taken power

I agree

But Islam without reform or going through an enlightment period I see as a threat to Euro Values

Euro Values? Is that the Spar own-brand of scratchy jacks paper and joy-free Cornflakes? Or do you mean values like equal rights for gay people, women and ethnic minorities, opposition to the death penalty and public flogging and a penal system that hopes to rehabilitate criminals rather than brutalise them? I find The Daily Mail more scary when it comes to these things than 25 million European Muslims, the vast majority of them moderate and mainstream in their values.

Nice stalling on the Irish-speaking question. I take it you can't. How come? Did you grow up somewhere else? Lincolnshire, maybe?

[The Riddler]

do you mean that values like equal rights for gay people, women

Thats part of exactly what i mean yes

[gnasher]

Thats part of exactly what i mean yes

Would you not say that right-wing parties which are actually in power today pose more a threat to those values than some speculative mythical Muslim majority that, you yourself admit, may or may not exist at some point in the future?