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    An Essay on Europe and the Lisbon Treaty

    The Corporatist Barbarians are at the door - time for Ireland to save Europe again

    Part One

    There really is not much difference between corporatism and socialism. The former is a carve up by big business, big unions, big Govt, big farmers, and any military/industrial complex; the latter attempts to be redistributionist, primarily through the taxation system and to bed down non elected bodies that will shape society in line with an ideology of ‘equality’. Both isms by necessity must be activist in the area of Education, the next generation must always look to the State, thus the need to form little socialists, little corporatists, made in their own image and likeness.

    Those on the Yes to Lisbon side are by and large corporatists or socialists. They are dangerous, not intentionally so, but because they cannot spot the deficit in the political market place, that they are now a kind thought police, and that it is perfectly alright to almost compel us vote the way they want us to vote on what will in effect be the same Treaty. They cannot see anything sinister in the fact that the E.U itself though various mechanisms, fora and political parties, will make sure the Yes side is better resourced, and that there is nothing wrong in a lie that attempts to link our recession and recovery prospects to Lisbon. Most on the Yes side are wittingly or unwittingly aligned with internationalists and post nationalists who are quite happy to see our constitution neutered, or supreme court sterile, and our Dail impotent.

    Also for them hijacking language is very important and using pejorative labels is very necessary. It allows them to shut down debate, so that those of us on the no side are extreme left wing, or neo fascist, or rightwing, or conspiracy theorists, or sinister groups, or reactionaries, or fundamentalists or neo cons or capitalists, or as one columnist put it, spoilt and thankless children who have lost the run of themselves.

    Confucius once said that one of the first signs of the decline of culture is when language loses its meaning, Orwell warned of it in 1984. Thankfully the Yes side failed to win one crucial battle, trying to get the Treaty known in the popular culture as the Reform Treaty. What a nice sounding word ‘reform’ is, only it didn't work. The name that stuck is the one that told the truth, a treaty that came about as a result of an oligarchic sleight of hand, approved by key players at a meeting in Lisbon.

    The No to Lisbon side is primarily made up of the little people, with very little resources, (or if they're lucky or unlucky might have someone who comes on the scene temporarily with a lot of dosh, only to depart the scene again!). Whilst those on the yes side by and large feed off the very process they logically must defend and promote; a State and Supra state that will continue to give such groups money and resources: civil society groups, trade unions, big employers, big political parties, supplicant media scribes, most of the intelligentsia, the Arts, NGOs, European parties, etc. They form such a critical mass that Europe will have to socially implode before its various Governments have no choice but to take the action that is necessary to stop its decline and fall .

    Corporatism has had many guises, Mercantism in France, the military, junker and industrial alliance in Bismarck's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, Nazi Germany or Tito's Yugoslavia. We have had our own 'benign' corporatism here, via the social partnership, the spoils agreed among an oligarchy with so called civil society groups bought on board to give the semblance on one big happy family with their crumbs off the table. But increased social welfare and minimum wages cannot compensate for living in the most expensive country in Europe, with the most bloated yet inefficient and costly public services in a time of community and spiritual poverty, of family breakdown, violence, drugs, and cultural decay, of alienation

    Whilst socialism today has taken on the social market or social democrat model, it is again a form of corporatism but is also obsessed with control of the Education so that children become good citizens, know their rights and obligations as consumers and producers, but have very little sense of traditional virtue and duty.

    Marx knew Education was vital if the revolution was to take place and social democrats still concur with him on that, since education can in effect become a kind of brainwashing, and in that sense a true socialist must be as doctrinaire as an ultramontane Catholic so that more little socialists are reared.

    Fascism, Socialism and Corporatism all involve a State invasion of the private sphere, all are keen to see the State take over from the family as the primary carer in society. This necessitates the socialisation and education of the population to an extent that defamilialisation takes place and whatever their God, a belligerent Fatherland, an intolerant Equality agenda, or a soulless consumption, that God becomes paramount.

    It is a God that people foolishly think can provide all their needs, that it can become the carer from cradle to grave, that it can compensate us when things go wrong, that it can pick up the pieces after the mistakes we make ourselves because extended family and community are gone.

    In today’s Europe and Ireland be it corporatist or social democratic, be it centre left or centre right, the new bible is equality, an equality that includes a seriously flawed notion of gender, that it is more a social construct than a biological one.

    Its catechism is cradle to grave welfare, more rapid socialisation and indoctrination of kids, and the shelling out of any traditional institutions that are a bulwark against the State becoming the Sun in whose benevolent light we can all shine.

    Big business supports it since it means the supply of labour and the wage rate can be kept low, a cheerleader was Mary Robinson who said women who choose to be a carer at home were copping out. And so IBEC, the unions, the intellectual left, have colluded to bring about a situation where there is no such thing anymore as a family wage, helped no doubt by our needs and expectations being too high in our wanabee culture.

    Families are fast becoming collections of autmonous units, he has his money and she has hers, the autonomous sub units, the children, have their rights and welfare guaranteed by the State, who more than often is expected to pick up the tab when Mum or Dad or both, behave badly. Mother and Father though are but progenitors within the family, turning out the future consumers and producers, only it has gone too far, they're not ‘progenitating’ much anymore. 1.6 is as far as they’ll go.

    The new bible tell us that the family based on marriage is but one option among equals, and that the advantaged and privileged position the state used to give marriage can now be offered to all, be they tentative, temporary or transitive arrangements, to suit a rainbow of tastes and desires, hetero or homo, bi or groupie, passing or permanent.

    Sex education broken from the bondage of traditional morality, at first subtly, with the tacit submission of the new age Churches, becomes universally enforced as 'value' free so that our youth can be prepared and educated for the game of sex, necessary since marriage is not needed for sex anymore.

    Children are sexualised and affronted by the culture at a younger and younger age while the fourth estate shriek on about paedophilia, oblivious to the vicarious paedophilia around them, the magazines, the music and fashion industry, the role models, the lining up our 11 years for a vaccination for strains for HPV that have by and large only come about since ‘sexual liberation’.

    Reticence and restraint is repression and letting it all hang out is virtue. Not giving others the privileges previously reserved for marriage is hateful discrimination, even homophobic. (Try opposing Gay marriage here and you will be neg repped, by the same source a lot). Male and female embodiment crucial to mother and father gender roles is just not accepted as a given anymore, the unique male and female ways of loving in motherhood and fatherhood are deemed hangovers from an oppressive age, no longer needed for the emotional well being of the young, so we are told.

    The new emphasis on 'Equality' which seeks to deny the unity and complimentarity of the sexes is Gospel while extreme environmentalism where humankind is seen as parasitic is the new religion, supported by the altruism of big philanthropists such as Bill Gates.

    All share one thing in common, they see traditional religion as an obstacle to progress, they hate it with the vehemence Hitler hated the Jews. They will cite the usual red herrings about religious hate and sectarianism and conveniently ignore the horrors of Mao, Stalin, and Hitler, the ever ongoing two tribes wars sponsored by the superpowers, the horrors of dictatorships and oligarchies in South America, Africa and Asia, all respected members of that most revered of organisations, the U.N.

    Every opportunity to accelerate the secularisation process, even if altruistically intended is seized. Thus the endemic and evil child abuse in religious institutions is now cited as a reason for the implementation of the convention on the rights of the child, which de facto makes the State the primary and arbitrary judge of child welfare, superior to the parents, even though the State also had some culpability in relation to that abuse.

    Thus Ruiari Quinn is worried about rightwing Catholics taking over the boards of management of Catholic schools. Better let the State, the tax payer take them over, better have our own indoctrinators in charge is really what he is saying. (What is a rightwing Catholic Ruairi? Is it a pejorative term for any Catholic who supports the teachings of his Church?). He need not worry, the Catholic Colleges of Education have already secularised their schools anyway they are about as Catholic as a Maoist training camp.

    Whatever the family unit, the nurturing role is increasingly contracted out across Europe to the impersonal State. The separation of procreation from the unitive aspect to the sexual act is complete. Marriage is now a shell institution emptied of its meaning and status. It is no longer needed for sex. It is no longer about a life long commitment between a man and a woman for the procreation and education of children.

    We can all engage now in sexual adventuring, we can let it hang out, we can let the counsellors, and the therapists, and the psychologists and the State sort out our offspring, that is let them all help the child we had a 'right' to.
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    Part two

    With the traditional family unit replaced, gender deconstructed, and the vestige of a patriarchal tyranny eradicated, feral children roam our estates while middle class, cosseted, intellectuals cheer the death of tradition and more and more confused and alienated young men kill themselves, our young drink to excess and girls queue up at STD clinics or doctors surgeries for the morning after pill. Anger, alienation and violence multiply.

    Private property, the homestead, is an illusion. The family home is mortgaged to the hilt and couples are on a treadmill of negative equity and lower incomes, banks have come under the control of the State or have huge State shareholdings, and more and more nations lose or cede control over their own money supply. While we might be wealthier on paper in relation to the former impoverished command economies, we too are really only cogs in this great public/private partnership, be it a corporatist or Social Democratic one.

    The irony is though that the long term prognosis for Europe is not good, our dependency ratios are constantly going up, an 'apparently' pro natal policy that would have released the burden of care on parents so that traditional male female roles could be demolished, has only led to a rapidly declining birth rates, and a dependency on immigrant labour that is giving succour to the unsavoury extreme right. Husband and wife, or 'partners', released from their bondage become slaves to the market, to never ending mortgages, instead of self giving servants in love to each other and their children.

    And while it was right to be determined that women should never again endure a cultural slavery that saw an alliance between Church and State, having 8, 10,12 or 16 children, where husbands did not understand the spirit of 'love your wives as Christ loved the Church', we have moved to another extreme, another form of slavery, where a woman’s fertility, part of her very embodied person is to be treated as some kind of infection or disease, which must be contained at that new blood count of 1.6children so that she can have it all, yet still be wrecked.

    That this 1.6 is a good thing is odd. Good for whom? Certainly not the next generation who will carry the burden of much higher taxes and a high dependency ratio for a smaller labour force. But then euthanasia, as is abortion, may well become socially acceptable, compassionate even, as all the 'dependant' become dispensable and we no longer understand that real love demands sacrifice. Instead we will live the new humanistic love, that allows ‘compassionate’ short cuts, not putting up with suffering, as suffering can and must be abolished, it is inhumane. Our new way to love is to inculturate dispensability, that to be human is to never have to experience pain or inconvenience.

    Remember again that Marx saw three things as the main obstacles to an all powerful State, religion, the traditional family, and private property. I have already dealt with the family and private property. What of Religion? Is there not now a militant anti religion phenomenon, a militant secularism? Dawkins and others have a ready and receptive audience. The Charter on Fundamental Rights only pays lip service to religion, equating it with secular/humanist traditions, not daring to mention God, or the natural law. The CFR is first and foremost a secular document, it places man as the measure of all things. What of the demands now for the Church to get out of Education altogether, and even if the laity want to step in, what again of Red Ruairi Quinn’s anti Catholic Education comments?

    All of this, the attack on the family, the ever increasing State, the illusion of private property, the democratic deficit, big business and big Government, has come about by both accident and design but Lisbon accelerates that process.

    There is something totalitarian about it. It need not be an obviously aggressive form, without the paraphernalia, without the salutes, the uniforms, without obvious or clear cut State control of the media, without any rounding up of the opposition. There is no need for that since there is not much opposition. Most of the political parties tinker only at the edges, most of the paid NGOs or civil society groups feed off the corporatist system, and the consumer led, function led, culture that surrounds us, pushes us to embrace it.

    There really is not much difference among the three main groups in the European Parliament, the Socialists, the EPP, the Liberals, just tinkering. It is a Fascist political world in the sense that there really is no choice; just put Labour, F.G. and F.F. in place of the above three and you get my drift. It is as every bit as pointless as voting from a list of candidates in the Old German Democratic Republic.

    So, since the masses have been 'deconstructed', since they have been weaned of the opiates of religion and nationalism and instead fed a diet of excess and T.V.; their spiritual sloth, their failure to be a philosopher, to search for truth, means they embrace the new God of bread and circuses.

    I just hope we Irish can still think for ourselves that we know in our hearts that tyranny comes in many forms, be it an autocratic and heartless Church, or smiling, well meaning, well paid politicians who have lost their critical faculties because of the multiple layers of political patronage they feed off.

    I live in hope though that while tyranny is even harder recognised today, the human spirit can never be moulded to conform completely to any ism, because the Spirit of the age always passes while the human Spirit knows no limits.

    No doubt there are many who oppose Lisbon for different reasons to me. Mine are to do with economics, social issues, personal liberty, real choice, and retaining that which initially made Western Civilisation great, the understanding as Dostoevsky put it, that without God anything is permissible. Lisbon, the Charter on Fundamental Rights, formalises the banishing of God in Europe.

    My faith in man is only when man holds his faith in God, and allows the law which is written in the human heart, the light of reason, to be reignited. Men or States that leave Him out do not and cannot ever have my support, any more than I could have supported Mao, or Stalin. Faith and Reason are inextricably linked. God is pure love and pure reason. A country or a continent that dumps him, no longer knows how to love. It truly has abandoned reason for madness.

    The direction Europe and Ireland is going in is the worst social construct ever, a magna carta for a Super state, a new empire, in which all of the things that make life good, the natural order of things, continue to be relentlessly dissolved; husband, wife, parents, family, community, nation, freedom, duty, service, love, dignity; instead to be replaced by partner x and partner y, progenitor, consumer, producer, charter, convention, market, needs, wants, rights, and on and on. Note the loss of the person in those cold clinical terms.

    Who knows if we do reject Lisbon, against all odds, a second spring might begin, and Europe will be saved, civilisation will be saved, after all we did it before. Can we do it again? Lord what a burden we carry.
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    [quote]
    There really is not much difference between corporatism and socialism.
    Corporatism is a political tactic for maintaing capitalism by drawing in and incorporating workers organisations into Government at the same time as taking an interventionist approach to the economy. Socialism, in the proper sense of the word, is about socialised production under public ownership/workers control. Opposites, really.

    The left, leaving aside Labour, are generally opposed to Lisbon.
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    [quote=cactusflower;1785768]

    Corporatism is a political tactic for maintaining capitalism by drawing in and incorporating workers organisations into Government at the same time as taking an interventionist approach to the economy. Socialism, in the proper sense of the word, is about socialised production under public ownership/workers control. Opposites, really.

    The left, leaving aside Labour, are generally opposed to Lisbon.
    I think your clarification of Corporatism is a good one, but it is in a way a pact between a Govt and big business, especially in economies that can generate a lot of aggregate demand themselves. The Social partnership model in Ireland while corporate up to a point, does not obviously include a heavy industry/miltary complex component, we don't really have one.

    Fair point re socialism but has not the present sense of the word changed in that Socialism or Social Democracy have almost become synonymous, the left having move more to the centre in support of the social market? Very few socialists now call for 'socialised' production as in the old command economies, it is more about social welfare and essential utilites being in public owenership as well as universal state provision of Health and Education. I don't think even Joe Higgins strays outside that, though I could be wrong, difficult to know with Joe.

    Re the left opposing Lisbon, maybe the fringe left here, but not so in Europe, among its biggest cheer leaders are those in he Socialist block.
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    That was a tour de force West. I'm actually already feeling quite hopeful again after hearing Dick squealing on the radio this morning. That feeling from last year is coming back. All we have to do is tell the truth as Jens-Peter Bonde attempted to do and people will vote accordingly.
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    People believe in what you call " post nationalism "
    because of what they know about nationalism.ie. that
    inside the nationalist state, no-one is safe. Your insistance that there
    existed a benign, catholic, state which is in danger from the EU
    is what makes me vote for as much integration as it is possible to get.
    There's way too much Kinder, Kuche, Kirche. in your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lapsedmethodist View Post
    People believe in what you call " post nationalism "
    because of what they know about nationalism.ie. that
    inside the nationalist state, no-one is safe. Your insistance that there
    existed a benign, catholic, state which is in danger from the EU
    is what makes me vote for as much integration as it is possible to get.
    There's way too much Kinder, Kuche, Kirche. in your post.
    Lapsed Methodist,

    Don't read into my post that which is not there but which you may seek yourself, maybe it is a knee jerk reaction to my being philosophically and theologically a 'Catholic', I'll be charitable here and give you the benefit of the doubt and put it down to you not really having read what I wrote in its totality.

    Nowhere in that post, if you are capable of objectivity, did I suggest a benign Catholic State, let alone look for one. If you know anything about the totality of my posts you would know that is not the case. Indeed in the post in question I refer to the cultural oppression of women due to an alliance of the State and the Church and us moving from one extreme to another. I abhorr any kind of theocracy be it explcit or culturally enforced, just as I abhorr left, liberal, Fabian, socialist indoctrination that is part and parcel now of the Irish and E.U corporate agenda.

    Already you are confirming for me one of my central points, the rush to label, to shut down debate. You also confirm for me another point in relation to the E.U not dealt with in this post, that those who cannot get their way here, look to the E.U. That many on the yes side think they know better than the peasants here and would sell our Constitution, our Oireachtas, and our Supreme court down the swanny in pursuit of their elusive EUtopia. How progressive yet treacherous.

    As that great Irish Ulsterman once put it, C.S. Lewis, what are they teaching children in school these days that they no longer know how to think. You could do with having a look again at Wesley's Methodism, not for him to jump to premature conclusions.
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    West's awake

    Why on earth should people NOT look to Europe for what they cannot get here ?

    I thought that that was a no-brainer ?

    And also that's in the grand tradition of Irish politics

    whereby complete independance from Britain was sought,

    with of course, the right to free travel and work !!!

    It could be said that the NO side has now appropriated these

    patchwork garments. Yes ?

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    "Why on earth should people NOT look to Europe for what they cannot get here ?"

    What can they get from Europe then lapsedmethodist?

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