Germany & Austria to accession states: "Nein" on freedom of movement

[Trampas]

Fair enough. It was a dereliction of duty on the part of the Government to enable unfettered immigration from Easter Europe to occur, particularly when in 2004, there were serious problems with the level of immigration at the time.

Indeed, but once Cowen had sent those invitations in June 2001 the cat was out of the bag.

[pete2]

Fair enough. It was a dereliction of duty on the part of the Government to enable unfettered immigration from Easter Europe to occur, particularly when in 2004, there were serious problems with the level of immigration at the time.

My gripe is that the same political class that urged Ireland to embrace freedom of movement/labor back then are now entirely casual in refusing to accept it. Where is their grand idealism now?

Blame Bertie all you like, blame Kenny too while you're at it, and blame the EU political class who warned of all kinds of calamity and damage to the EU if a Yes on Nice didn't happen. The threats from the EU political class have been discussed and established on p.ie already. The fact that Berties agreement to lift restrictions on freedom of labor happened when under atonement for the No vote has also been established as fact on p.ie. Why rehash that?

Germany is not "doing its bit" as Bertie put it because their electorate know the lies they were told in 1998 on the risk of massive immigration are the same lies being told now. Germany having unleashed the insane enlargement project on Ireland now want to step back when it threatens to affect their electorate. Hypocrisy.

Irish people should not look to the corrupt EU and its lying supporters to sort out this immigration mess.

[Staropramen]

Irish people should not look to the corrupt EU and its lying supporters to sort out this immigration mess.

The problem is, Pete, is that we have nobody who is willing to sort out this mess. And the vicious circle continues...

[pete2]

The problem is, Pete, is that we have nobody who is willing to sort out this mess. And the vicious circle continues...

Assume direct action. The corrupt political class and the EU apologists have shown themselves incapable of doing anything but bleating out nothing.

A lack of immigration policy will NOT be solved by recession, it does not work like that. Ireland needs an actual immigration policy that is not a wide open door. The EU is too corrupt and too cumbersome to provide this. ibis's past assurances on the matter are all over this board

..That rather assumes that those who have immigrated will not simply leave if there is a downturn. There's no evidence for such a proposition, and a good deal of evidence against it.
2007 http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...tml#post420297

..So we have, on the one hand, what is clearly a massive wave of immigration, and on the other, very little permanent immigration...
2007 http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...tml#post423732

free movement of workers so "enshrined" and essential to the fabric of the EU (unless you're German)..

..If Ireland were to put a moratorium on the free movement of workers from the A8 states into Ireland then we would be violating EU law. The European Commission could take us to the ECJ, which could impose massive fines...
http://www.politics.ie/current-affai...tml#post424014

[ibis]

My gripe is that the same political class that urged Ireland to embrace freedom of movement/labor back then are now entirely casual in refusing to accept it. Where is their grand idealism now?

Blame Bertie all you like, blame Kenny too while you're at it, and blame the EU political class who warned of all kinds of calamity and damage to the EU if a Yes on Nice didn't happen. The threats from the EU political class have been discussed and established on p.ie already. The fact that Berties agreement to lift restrictions on freedom of labor happened when under atonement for the No vote has also been established as fact on p.ie. Why rehash that?

Germany is not "doing its bit" as Bertie put it because their electorate know the lies they were told in 1998 on the risk of massive immigration are the same lies being told now. Germany having unleashed the insane enlargement project on Ireland now want to step back when it threatens to affect their electorate. Hypocrisy.

Irish people should not look to the corrupt EU and its lying supporters to sort out this immigration mess.

I note that the debate you refer to in respect of "Germany doing its bit" contains no such reference. Instead, it says:

"There is pressure on other countries but they must make their own decisions and cannot slavishly follow others. Similarly, we must make decisions based on the circumstances that pertain at a particular time. A number of countries, including France, Germany and Belgium, have indicated they will probably impose restrictions. [552] Time is running out for those countries regarding the previous enlargement and between 2009 and 2011 they will be compelled to allow full access."

[pete2]

I note that the debate you refer to in respect of "Germany doing its bit" contains no such reference. Instead, it says:

"There is pressure on other countries but they must make their own decisions and cannot slavishly follow others. Similarly, we must make decisions based on the circumstances that pertain at a particular time. A number of countries, including France, Germany and Belgium, have indicated they will probably impose restrictions. [552] Time is running out for those countries regarding the previous enlargement and between 2009 and 2011 they will be compelled to allow full access."

Why lie, its there in black and white.

..Approximately 500,000 such people went to the UK, which has a population of 56 million, over the same period. Just 10,000 people from the accession states went to Sweden, which was the only other country to allow free labour market access, in the same timeframe. That is an indication that Ireland [COLOR=Red]has done its bit[/COLOR] to provide for free access, by and large.

My point; Germany in the driving seat of the EU has NOT done "its bit". Hypocrites.