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    Libertas Live from Latvia - Comments by Libertas Latvia Leader Gunters Krasts

    Former Prime Minister of Latvia, Gunter Krasts, spoke today at the first conference of Libertas Latvia.

    He said that Europe must serve to "unbind human initiative", that it must not be allowed become "the toy of unelected Brussels elites" and that we must all do everything to "encourage the growth of Small Medium enterprises which are the engine of economic growth".

    It with an excellent conference, huge attendance and reception of the positive message of democracy, accountability and transparency. And God knows that Latvia knows all about what happens with democracy, accountability and transparency fall by the wayside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    Former Prime Minister of Latvia, Gunter Krasts, spoke today at the first conference of Libertas Latvia.

    He said that Europe must serve to "unbind human initiative", that it must not be allowed become "the toy of unelected Brussels elites" and that we must all do everything to "encourage the growth of Small Medium enterprises which are the engine of economic growth".

    It with an excellent conference, huge attendance and reception of the positive message of democracy, accountability and transparency. And God knows that Latvia knows all about what happens with democracy, accountability and transparency fall by the wayside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    It with an excellent conference, huge attendance and reception of the positive message of democracy, accountability and transparency. And God knows that Latvia knows all about what happens with democracy, accountability and transparency fall by the wayside.
    You're implying that the EU and the USSR operate in the same way?

    A strange implication for someone who apparently supports a pro-EU party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marmurr1916 View Post
    You're implying that the EU and the USSR operate in the same way?

    A strange implication for someone who apparently supports a pro-EU party.
    No, he's saying that the meeting vindicates Libertas' short-term strategy and the quick-release benefits of the 2005 IRA statement.

    OK, well maybe not the last bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    Former Prime Minister of Latvia, Gunter Krasts, spoke today at the first conference of Libertas Latvia.

    He said that Europe must serve to "unbind human initiative", that it must not be allowed become "the toy of unelected Brussels elites" and that we must all do everything to "encourage the growth of Small Medium enterprises which are the engine of economic growth".

    It with an excellent conference, huge attendance and reception of the positive message of democracy, accountability and transparency. And God knows that Latvia knows all about what happens with democracy, accountability and transparency fall by the wayside.
    did he mention the way that Latvian Libertas has already received at least 100,000 thorugh a device designed to
    1/allow ganley to claim that he is not funding the EU campaign
    2/ that allows Ganley to fund it retrospectively
    3/ that places no upper limit on the amount of fund that Libertas Latvia or Libertas anywhere can receive from ganley .
    4/is a deliberate design being used to flout the law

    this despite the fact that Ganley said last week he would not be funding the campaign.

    as reported today in Poland the scam involves Libertas in a particular country getting a bank loan backed up with collateral/assets from ganley. in this case one Ganley/Libertas VP in Poland has said on the record that ganley talked to their bank for them.

    The key to this scam is that the local party gets loans and spend them, after the election they default on the loan, ganley is asked to cover the loan as he guaranteed it.

    In this way ganley uses his money but not until a few moths time. In the meantime the cash /assets act as security for "loans" in individual countries/


    was that mentioned at the glorious press conference?
    Libertas Election Financing ? How Libertas circumvent election laws to receive Ganley's money revealed by Polish Libertas VP

    the Polish press call it a cheat.
    Thomas Butkiewicz writing for Dziennik says that one of the Polish Vice Presidents of Libertas, the League of Polish Families Daniel PAWŁOWIEC, said that Libertas would fully comply with funding laws.
    However his co Vice President Artur Zawisza let the cat out of the bag by going further confirming both this source of funding and Declan Ganley's personal involvement in the ruse. ""The most important thing for banks is to assess the creditworthiness and the collateral. I know they consulted with Mr. Declan Ganleyem" - when asked about the source of funding election campaigns.
    Official" - How to cheat the electoral commission
    Google translate version


    So far Libertas Poland is reported to have received 250,000 euro, Libertas Slovenia 250,000. euro and Libertas Lithuania has so far received 100,00 using this ruse.

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    At least decko has the cojones to put his money where his moth is. These "regulations" are designed to protect the political status quo. That make it very difficult for a new party to raise funds while at the same time leave the bathroom window ajar so the major political parties can still roll in the cash. Libertas are merely working the loopholes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurosceptic View Post
    At least decko has the cojones to put his money where his moth is. These "regulations" are designed to protect the political status quo. That make it very difficult for a new party to raise funds while at the same time leave the bathroom window ajar so the major political parties can still roll in the cash. Libertas are merely working the loopholes.
    Nice post though I thought Ganley's appeal was that he was open, not an unelected elite, accountable and democratic.
    It seems you seekers of his utopian dream are happy that he is shown up as a lying hypocrite because he has big balls "cojones".


    Firstly we don't know whose money he is spending in order to break.

    secondly you praise "
    Libertas are merely working the loopholes" so how does that square wuith open accountability?

    they are exploiting loop hole in laws that are designed tio stop people with money corrupting democracy. Here we have ganley spending multiple millions and it just proves to you he has "balls"

    It should prove to you that this is a bigger scandal involving vastly greater amounts of cash than any that arose from tribunals.

    Just shows us what kind of people are looking for this Libertas "transparency".....its people like you who respect dishonesty and sharp practices..
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    Well that would all be very well if it were true, peoplekorps, but it's not. Like I said, repeating rubbish doesn't make it true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    Well that would all be very well if it were true, peoplekorps, but it's not. Like I said, repeating rubbish doesn't make it true.
    It IS a fact that Ganley is spending vast amounts of money in his attempt to grab power. He HAS a major office in Brussels and he HAS employed expensive consultant to run his campaign for him. These ARE facts. It IS also a fact that we do not know who is funding him since, contrary to the positive obligations on him to declare from where and from whom he is being funded. So much for his transparency, so much for his accountability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonster View Post
    Well that would all be very well if it were true, peoplekorps, but it's not. Like I said, repeating rubbish doesn't make it true.
    Hang on Rommel?

    are you saying that your VP Libertas in Poland was misquoted or lying?
    he definitely is quoted in direct quotes confirming that Ganley spoke to the bank about the loan.


    It is also reported in several papers that Libertas Poland have already got 250k eurio this way and that ganley has guananteed the loans .........it is also stated that this is waht you are up too all over Europe?

    I have called a few journalists here and hopefully they will track it all down .

    Right now the status is that the story is in print and online in Poland and there have been no denials when I last checked. However the denial would have to come form the man quoted Vice President of Libertas Poland Artur Zawisza.

    I bet you boys have been on the phone and emails about this all morning.


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