The Big Debate: Ganley vs Cohn-Bendit

[CookieMonster]

What fallacy? If they all signed forms containing the words, 'LIBERTAS Membership Form', with a declaration of membership ("I, ........, declare being a member of the European political party Libertas."), then they're all self-declared members of Libertas, right?

Exactly, there is nothing to suggest otherwise.

Cyprian Gutkowski was courted as a supporter by Libertas

You have stated this a number of times as though it was fact, there is no way you could know that he was actively courted of not. It's entirely possible that he came forward himself to sign the application.

And once again, the LPR is an entirely different political party to Libertas. There are no links between the two. The LPR are a Polish political party running their own candidates in the European Elections in June.

[cactusflower]

That presumably is the reason why Libertas had the seven complete membership forms.

If each was a member of Libertas, then Libertas could claim them as representatives, even if they were elected (or appointed) as members of other parties originally.

So not only is Cyprian Gutkowski a member of Libertas, he's also a representative of Libertas.

That is the case, unless he has withdrawn formally. The point is that Ganley chose to invite a clutch of extreme right wingers to represent Libertas in its attempt to establish itself as a Pan European Party. This is not a matter that I've seen disputed in any discussion of Libertas outside Ireland.

[marmurr1916]

You have stated this a number of times as though it was fact, there is no way you could know that he was actively courted of not. It's entirely possible that he came forward himself to sign the application.

That's true, it's possible, although I doubt it very much.

Even so, his support was accepted and he's now a member and representative of Libertas.

And once again, the LPR is an entirely different political party to Libertas. There are no links between the two. The LPR are a Polish political party running their own candidates in the European Elections in June.

I have never mentioned LPR.

Cyprian Gutkowski is a member and representative of Libertas.

Cyprian Gutkowski is also a leading member of All-Polish Youth.

[CookieMonster]

I have never mentioned LPR.

I'm sorry, it's very hard to keep track of what you people are accusing Libertas of because you lot seem entirely unable to focus on one thing at a time, like I said earlier.

We can forgive poor Peoplekorps for this because he's quite clearly not well. Cactusflower was an expert at this practice elsewhere. It's nice to see she's missed me though and has now reinstated herself over here.

[marmurr1916]

Now that that's off your chest, maybe you'd care to comment on the fact that Cyprian Gutkowski is a member and representative of Libertas while at the same time being a leading member of All-Polish Youth, an organisation "named after a pre-World War II Polish nationalist movement which successfully campaigned for the introduction of a "Jews bench" in Polish universities to separate Jewish and non-Jewish students", an organisation "known to harbor anti-Semitic views", according to the US State Department, which "draws from traditions of extreme nationalism and anti-Semitism and recruits its members from among skinheads."?

All-Polish Youth [COLOR=#800080]doesn't just confine itself to anti-semitism[/COLOR]:

Also in 2005, following the example of Warsaw, the mayor of Poznan banned a March for Equality and Tolerance in Poznan—one sponsored not only by the Campaign Against Homophobia but by human rights, women’s, and student organizations. When a small number of marchers persisted in assembling, members of the All-Polish Youth assaulted them, throwing projectiles and shouting “Gas the fags!” and “We’ll do to you what Hitler did to the Jews!”

Why does an organisation which [COLOR=#0000ff]previously claimed to have regard [/COLOR]for "Europe’s traditional values of liberty, truth, justice, peace, democracy, tolerance, reason, innovation, family, dignity and the rule of law" allow the likes of Cyprian Gutkowski to become a member and representative?

Cyprian Andrzej Gutkowski was elected to the Mazovia Regional Assembly (Sejmiku Województwa Mazowieckiego) in November 2006. He was the number one candidate on the Komitet Wyborczy Liga Polskich Rodzin list (League of Polish Families electoral committee) for constituency no. 7.

His personal vote was 3,475 (1.13%) of the valid constituency vote.

[OMahonyMunster]

I'm sorry, it's very hard to keep track of what you people are accusing Libertas of because you lot seem entirely unable to focus on one thing at a time, like I said earlier.

We can forgive poor Peoplekorps for this because he's quite clearly not well. Cactusflower was an expert at this practice elsewhere. It's nice to see she's missed me though and has now reinstated herself over here.

Are you saying that your Liobertas Poland VP the sickly looking pervert The face of evil ,Daniel PAWŁOWIEC ,former LPF and currently employed by Declan Ganley as Libertas vp in Poland

Is this not your VP in Poland ?
Why are you denying your own people , this is a little like St. Peter denying Jesus.



neither you nor ganley heave ever shown that AAIF was not a rip off and ganley's contradictory contemporary statements and his failure to answer any question adequately in the last year is revealing. What is more revealing is the fact that the company went bankrupt a fact that ganley failed to disclose to Primetime or anybody else.

You are absolutely a proven liar just ike declan ganley, If you feel I am saying this incorrectly then please sue me. ifg I dont hear from your legal representitives than we can safely put this matter behind us you LIAR

Anglo Adriatic Investment Fund SA
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The Anglo Adriatic Investment Fund SA was an investment fund set up to hold privatisation vouchers issued by the government of post-Communist Albania. It was unsuccessful in its attempts to reinvest them and collapsed.
Anglo Adriatic Investment Fund SA
Anglo Adriatic Investment Fund logo.
Formation 1996?
Type Investment fund
Headquarters Hotel Rogner Europa Park, Blvd. Deshmoret e Kombit, Tirana, Albania.[1][2]
128 Mount Street, London, W1Y 5HA, United Kingdom[1]
Location Albania
United Kingdom
Official languages English, Albanian
Founder Declan Ganley[3][4]
Key people Liam Lawlor,[5] (consultant[6]) Kosta Trebicka,[7] Dan De Marino,[4] Gary Hunter[6]
Website n/a
Contents
[hide]

* 1 Structure
* 2 Early success
* 3 Collapse
* 4 Funding
* 5 Notes
* 6 References
* 7 See also

[edit] Structure

The Anglo Adriatic Investment Fund SA[2] (AAIF) was established by Irish entrepreneur Declan Ganley.[8] AAIF was the first[8] foreign-managed investment fund in Albania, provisionally licensed on 13 April 1996[8] and definitively licensed on 22 May 1996.[9] AAIF collected privatisation vouchers[4][8] that the government of post-communist Albania was giving to Albanians, and it used the nominal value of those vouchers for investment in areas such as fertilizer,[8] breweries,[10] cement[10] and pharmaceuticals.[10] The Albanians who deposited their vouchers with AAIF received shares in the fund in return.[4]

[edit] Early success

At one point the fund had 450,000 shareholders and vouchers with a nominal value of more than $120 million.[4]

[edit] Collapse

But AAIF had collected too many vouchers: it had 12%[9] of all the vouchers and privatisation leks combined, more that the 10% maximum[9] prescribed by law.[nb 1] Following a lengthly period of negotiation and accusation between AAIF and the Albanian government,[9] AAIF was left unable to continue with the privatisation.[9] Even worse, the market value of the vouchers had dropped during the collapse of the Albanian economy from 25.6%[9] of their nominal value in January 1996[9] to 1.7%[9] in October 1998.[9] AAIF was bankrupt.[9]

[edit] Funding

AAIF was officially funded by Ganley International,[8][3][8] with a 10%[8] stake taken by the US-based Rothschild Emerging Markets Fund.[8] Der Speigel stated[11] that AAIF's UK office (128 Mount Street, London, W1Y 5HA[1]) shared an address with the European branch of US investment fund Paladin Capital, and also stated[11] that Paladin Capital's advisory board was chaired by former CIA director James Woolsey. Ganley denies any involvement with the CIA.[12]

[OMahonyMunster]

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Cyprian Gutkowski was courted as a supporter by Libertas
You have stated this a number of times as though it was fact, there is no way you could know that he was actively courted of not. It's entirely possible that he came forward himself to sign the application.


Another piece of lying Libertas crap you of course courted him , you just are afraid to say it because he thinks Jews are not human

[CookieMonster]

Somebody get poor Peoplekorps his medication.

[OMahonyMunster]

Somebody get poor Peoplekorps his medication.

I take it you have decided not to sue then
LIAR

Is this not your VP in Poland?
Are you saying that your Libertas Poland VP the sickly looking pervert The face of evil ,Daniel PAWŁOWIEC ,former LPF and currently employed by Declan Ganley as Libertas vp in Poland is not just out of the LPF? Former member of neo Nazi All Polish Youth?

[Bobert]

I remember a time on this forum when debate was of a higher standard then the current level of accusations of lying or insanity...

But don't mind me, I'm drunk...