The Big Debate: Ganley vs Cohn-Bendit

[ibis]

But he doesn't. There has never been any proof provided that he does. In actual fact, on balance all the evidence in existence makes a very compelling case for such an allegation being a whole load of bollox and not onc single piece of evidence have been provided to suggest otherwise, yet Cohn-Bendit bought it up anyway.

Sure - I'm not arguing that the CIA thing is not a smear, for which no evidence has ever been produced bar the usual circumstantial "connections". I'm pointing out that it's at least a relevant smear - if it were true it would be important.

Of course, that leaves the transparency issue, which is both relevant and factual...

[CookieMonster]

I'm pointing out that it's at least a relevant smear - if it were true it would be important.

Whch is nonsense because it's not true, It's never been true and there has never been anything shown to suggest that it is true, yet he still brought it up.

[ibis]

Whch is nonsense because it's not true, It's never been true and there has never been anything shown to suggest that it is true, yet he still brought it up.

Stuff like that happens in politics, apparently.

[arnaudherve]

I am favourably impressed by this move of M. Ganley against M. Cohn-Bendit, for whom I have no trust.

I met him in Brussels and observed him many times on TV. He is part of that special brand of Greens who don't care about scientific ecology, but concentrate instead on society matters. You can detect them by their tendency to call "Fascist" or "Stalinian" any attempt to any rule defining life in common.

Not exaggerating. When you participate to a debate with them, you don't wonder if the the terms "Fascist" or "Stalinian" will fall, you wonder when they will fall. After a while you give up developing coherent ideas, you just avoid any subject and any personal judgement in order not to be called "Fascist" or "Stalinian". You hope it will fall on someone else.

It seems like a special chamber of hell where the imps specialize in calling people "Fascist" or "Stalinian". On any subject. All the time.

But you cannot live your whole life calling everything you don't like "Fascist" or "Stalinian". Sooner or later you have to take responsibilities. For what you did.

It's not sexuality only. I wish those Greens could one day be faced with their responsibilities in the development of drugs addictions, and the terrible human destinies that followed.

[marmurr1916]

Enough of this lads.

European Parliament elections, June 2009.

Austria. Number of MEPs to be elected: 17.
Belgium. Number of MEPs to be elected: 22.
Bulgaria. Number of MEPs to be elected: 17.
Cyprus. Number of MEPs to be elected: 6.
Czech Republic. Number of MEPs to be elected: 22.
Denmark. Number of MEPs to be elected: 13.
Estonia. Number of MEPs to be elected: 6.
Finland. Number of MEPs to be elected: 13.
France. Number of MEPs to be elected: 72.
Germany. Number of MEPs to be elected: 99.
Greece. Number of MEPs to be elected: 22.
Hungary. Number of MEPs to be elected: 22.
Ireland. Number of MEPs to be elected: 12.
Italy. Number of MEPs to be elected: 72.
Latvia. Number of MEPs to be elected: 8.
Lithuania. Number of MEPs to be elected: 12
Luxembourg. Number of MEPs to be elected: 6.
Malta. Number of MEPs to be elected: 5.
Netherlands. Number of MEPs to be elected: 25.
Poland. Number of MEPs to be elected: 50.
Portugal. Number of MEPs to be elected: 22.
Romania. Number of MEPs to be elected: 33.
Slovakia. Number of MEPs to be elected: 13.
Slovenia. Number of MEPs to be elected: 7.
Spain. Number of MEPs to be elected: 50.
Sweden. Number of MEPs to be elected: 18.
UK. Number of MEPs to be elected: 72.

Total number of MEPs to be elected: 736.

Recent reports in the Irish media have indicated that a second referendum before next year's European elections is highly unlikely. This creates a potentially awkward political situation where the elections are fought on the basis of the Nice Treaty, meaning the election of 736 MEPs instead of the 751 set out in the Lisbon Treaty.

The citizens of the European Union will go to the polls at beginning of June to decide the future of their Europe. There will be 736 MEPs elected, from all 27 member states, in an unprecedented expression of international democracy.

The European Parliament election in June 2009 will be the biggest trans-national election in history.
Almost 500 million European citizens in 27 countries are eligible to vote, as 736 members of the European Parliament (MEPs) are elected for a five-year term.

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All 736 MEPs in the European Parliament will be elected under some form of proportional representation.

Europe wide there are now 785 MEPs but this is to be cut down to 736 MEPs following the election in June 2009.

According to the Libertas.eu site,

With a vote for Libertas: you can win 785 seats

[cactusflower]

Any beauty contest between Ganley and Cohn-Bendit would have no winners.
Both have a knack for self-publicising.

Ganley seems to have eased off on threatening political opponents with court action and moved on to digging out every last bit of muck that can be thrown. I would hate to see him in action in a position in which he had real power.

[brio910]

First, if you watch the debate - It was Cohn-Bendit who started to throw the muck.

Ganley said he had come to debate the big issues effecting europe. 'However if Cohn Bendit if going to tell lies about me, then I will be forced to tell the truth about him'

It was only then that Ganley let off missiles about the Europhile paedophile.

As well as Red Danny harbouring a known-terrorist who committed murder during the 1970s. The EU parliament currently gives Red Danny diplomatic immunity over this.

(Mail on Sunday) -The German Attorney General asked the European Parliament to remove the Green MEP's diplomatic immunity so he could be questioned about harbouring a terrorist, Hans Joachim Klein who had murdered people at a 1975 OPEC meeting. It came out in a 2000 Court case that Mr Cohn-Bendit had sheltered Mr Klein for several years while he was on the run from the police and international terrorists such as Carlos the Jackal. -

Cohn Bendit, the Yes side poster boy, is I believe, a self-confessed paedophile who has harboured murdering terrorists and now uses diplomatic immunity provided by the EU Parliament to avoid questioning and prosecution.

On a final point. I rarely wade into these interminable posts on Declan Ganley. But I will say this. There do seem to be a number of individuals KevBar, OMahony, PeopleKorp, the people who do the anti-Ganley sites.
Their actions of constant attack on one person is not only weird, but borders, I think on the obsessive. Not only is it unhealthy -it's now down right screwball.

I don't agree with Ganley on everything. On somethings not even close.
However there must be some reason the Eurocrats hate him so much. He is effective and the best chance for the NO to Lisbon side to effect change.

[cactusflower]

Brio910 - I have no more time for Cohn-Bendit than you do: possibly less. Like you I've noted that Ganley has plenty of opponents from the right wing - the UKIP and FG evidently see him as a rival. The Commission patently dislikes him, so far.

Ganley's No is very vague and qualified. In recent months he has become more and more emphatically pro-EU. He wants an elected President - a highly centralising measure. He voted for Nice and I think Maastricht? His vision for the EU, he says, is deregulated and pro-big business.

What ever you think about the motivation of people who post about Ganley, they have unearthed a lot of well-verified information about him and his political affiliations that will help people make their minds up, one way or another, whether they will vote for Libertas. In the absence of any policies and programme from Libertas, imo they have done a service to the electorate.

[cactusflower]

Just came across this little tit bit in a review of Ganley's debate with Cohn-Bendit.

In an attempt to offset his party's negative stance on Lisbon, Ganley said that Libertas would soon be proposing a policy that would make the EU a world leader in renewable energy. He then spoke about the GSM standard for mobile phones which, he said, had given the EU leadership in the technology for a generation. But he undermined his arguments by confusing the success of the GSM standard with the fiasco of the 3G licence auctions in the early 2000s.

Libertas needs more ideas and less negativity | Policies | EU governance | Parliament | European Voice

Ganley, as the review points out, engaged poorly with issues of EU governance raised in the debate, but found time to pop in an infommercial for one of his many business interests: telecommunications. Ganley lost out on a GSM bid in Ireland and lost out against GSM in Iraq.

Is Ganley able to separate his business and political interests?

[CookieMonster]

Just came across this little tit bit in a review of Ganley's debate with Cohn-Bendit.



Libertas needs more ideas and less negativity | Policies | EU governance | Parliament | European Voice

Ganley, as the review points out, engaged poorly with issues of EU governance raised in the debate, but found time to pop in an infommercial for one of his many business interests: telecommunications. Ganley lost out on a GSM bid in Ireland and lost out against GSM in Iraq.

Is Ganley able to separate his business and political interests?

Cactusflower, I know you can't restrain yourself from having a go at Ganley any chance you get, but perhaps you should be more careful what chances you take. He was talking about the process in which GSM technology came about and using a similar approach applied to energy technology.

Back in the early 80s a european oraganisation called CEPT was charged with the task of creating a mobile technology for Europe. Though collaboration from all the states involved they developed GSM technology which is now the most used mobile telephone technology in the world.

Ganley was talking about using the same approach pulling talent from all the countries across Europe to work on creating or refining renewable energy technology and thus relieving us of our dependency on oil. Rather than admit it's a good idea, you'd rather take pot shots.