Another Eurosceptic "myth" turns out to be true

[PhoenixIreland]

I'm glad my argument was so good you ran out of counter-arguments.

[Earnest]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Earnest
Ah, but was Latvia a country before 1918? Was Spain a country before 1492? Is Brittany a country? Is Monaco a country?

Indeed Brittany is a country, as is the Basque Country, Catalunya, Ireland (there are not two Irish countries but one), etc.

Could you answer the other 3 questions?

[Risteard]

I didn't run out of arguments - I simply pointed out that your claim that we were part of Britain for 700 years was a nonsense. We were never part of Britain, which is an island. The so-called "United Kingdom" is not the same thing as Britain.

[He3]

Any answers to my question greatly appreciated...

Article 17, of the Lisbon Treaty states:
"Citizens of the Union shall enjoy the rights and be subject to the duties provided for in the Treaties. They shall have, inter alia: the right to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States... "

Then tucked in Article 62 is the change.
"If action by the Union should prove necessary to facilitate the exercise of the right referred to in Article 17(2)(a), and if the Treaties have not provided the necessary powers, the Council, acting in accordance with a special legislative procedure, may adopt provisions concerning passports, identity cards, residence permits or any other such document. The Council shall act unanimously after consulting the European Parliament."

The question:

Does this mean that under Lisbon the Council gets powers (or the scope to give itself powers) in this area of passports, ID cards and the like that it does not have under the existing treaties?

Still hoping for a straight answer here.

[PhoenixIreland]

I didn't run out of arguments - I simply pointed out that your claim that we were part of Britain for 700 years was a nonsense. We were never part of Britain, which is an island. The so-called "United Kingdom" is not the same thing as Britain.

No you were being a smart ass to avoid the argument, you knew I was referring to the political entity not the geographical one.
We were part of a larger political entity, we were still Irish.

[Risteard]

There is no political entity Britain. It is the so-called "UK". What do you find so hard to understand about that?

[PhoenixIreland]

Stop getting bogged down in semantics and respond to the point.

[louis bernard]

There is no political entity Britain. It is the so-called "UK". What do you find so hard to understand about that?

Why do you use the term “so called” when you are referring to the United Kingdom? It is called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland because that is exactly what it legally is and is recognised by the UN as such. And as much as it may irritate you, the now Republic of Ireland was a part of that same United Kingdom from 1801 to 1922.

[Risteard]

They're not merely semantics. Why do you hate Ireland?

[Earnest]

Still hoping for a straight answer here.

Stop bullying. Ibis and I have answered this. Not in the way you were hoping, perhaps. But you have no right to demand an answer in your own frame of reference.