Bringing Nato and the EU together

[Sucker Punch]

I don't know whether my eurosceptic colleagues have noticed, but the Czechs hold the Presidency of the EU.

It's hard to keep up with the times these days, plenty of information overload when everyone is in crisis mode. I don't consider myself Eurosceptic however just an active citizen- European and Irish.

[He3]

Dailymotion - "Le moment est venu", a video from publicsenat. public, senat, evenement, sarkozy, otan

And now here is my translation of 14:56 to 16:44

"I discovered in 2007 [Note: when he was elected] a totally blocked situation. We hear sometimes that it was because of this and that country, traditionally hostile to Europe, fierce partisan of a close Atlantic alliance. That is not true, at all. The situation was blocked because it is France that, by voting No in the 2005 referendum, had contributed to stick the European construction in a rut. This is why our first initiative, me and the government, was to get it out of the rut. Because frankly, we were not after that referendum in a position that would have allowed us to gather all Europe around us. Europe was halted, but France was not in a position to show the way out. I speak here under the control of Bernard Kouchner and François Fillon [Note: Foreign Affairs and Prime Minister], we worked really hard to improve the situation.

With the Lisbon Treaty we will have a coherent framework, in terms of defence. When it comes into force, the institutional framework of the European security and defence policy will be consolidated for many years, and that is how it should be. The Treaty will create an obligation of mutual assistance in case of an armed aggression, and an obligation of solidarity in case of a terrorist attack.

But this treaty, the Lisbon Treaty, it is not the Atlantist countries that refused it. It's Ireland. And Ireland is a neutral country."

NB1: You will notice that President Sarkozy has decided that you will vote Yes ("When it comes into force...")

NB2: I could sub the whole file, I have the software for subtitles, but I don't have the time.

Thank you very much arnaudherve for your time and effort in making this available to us.

This statement from M Sarkozy is very clear:

With the Lisbon Treaty we will have a coherent framework, in terms of defence. When it comes into force, the institutional framework of the European security and defence policy will be consolidated for many years, and that is how it should be. The Treaty will create an obligation of mutual assistance in case of an armed aggression, and an obligation of solidarity in case of a terrorist attack.

[Earnest]

Thank you very much arnaudherve for your time and effort in making this available to us.

This statement from M Sarkozy is very clear:

With the Lisbon Treaty we will have a coherent framework, in terms of defence. When it comes into force, the institutional framework of the European security and defence policy will be consolidated for many years, and that is how it should be. The Treaty will create an obligation of mutual assistance in case of an armed aggression, and an obligation of solidarity in case of a terrorist attack.

But in the same statement he said: "Ireland is a neutral country." So he is exactly as self-contradictory as the Lisbon treaty.

[eurosceptic]

Sarko has mnade it clear lisbon is a mutual defence pact albeit with fudge coating.

[He3]

Do not go near that link, it is reported to be a virus

[He3]

Sarko has mnade it clear lisbon is a mutual defence pact albeit with fudge coating.

His grand plans on the military side were one of the reasons it was so important to get the Lisbon vote through last June, before the French presidency, which was to come out with the details. There was a realisation that they would not go down well with a lot of Irish voters if they came out before the vote.

The details are dribbling out over time.

The need to get an Irish Yes to Lisbon and its provisions on the military empire building within the EU structures is a real pest, and very hard for a French President to understand, as under French law he can shove his own compatriots around.

[He3]

Viruses still being posted above. Avoid.

[eurosceptic]

Good point He3. The original plan was to hold the referendum in late 2008 with the other 26 copies of the treaty sitting neatly on a shelf in the department of foreign affairs in rome. But knowing sarko would shoot his mouth off about the deepening of EU military cooperation and a french push for tax harmonisation the govt feared a no vote.

[Earnest]

His grand plans on the military side were one of the reasons it was so important to get the Lisbon vote through last June, before the French presidency, which was to come out with the details. There was a realisation that they would not go down well with a lot of Irish voters if they came out before the vote.

The details are dribbling out over time.

The need to get an Irish Yes to Lisbon and its provisions on the military empire building within the EU structures is a real pest, and very hard for a French President to understand, as under French law he can shove his own compatriots around.

If Sarkozy was really worried about the Irish vote, he wouldn't have gone ahead with his announcement. Building up straw men, I think.

[He3]

Sarkozy doesn't do worried Earnest.