Newstalk are confirming that Czech President Vaclav Klaus recorded yesterdays disputed meeting with the EU Parliamentary heads and has now placed the recording on his webpage. I am sure he would not have done this unless what was said would be very damaging to the European Parliament and by extension the Yes campaign here. We will also get to hear exactly just what Brian Crowley said and its accuaracy vis a vis his comments on yesterdays News at One.
that was on saturday edition wasnt it?
if its up on his website surely we can get a link to it to listen in too !
personally though im not sure if everything is as it seems. the host of that show is rabidly pro lisbon and hasnt let a single week since the NO came in pass with out at least USING the word lisbon once (on todays show it took him 19min. to use the L word
ive decided to stop listening to the show as its got to the stage that i just want to throw the radio through the bureae window at times, the man could literally give fox news a run for its money in the propaganda stakes.
some feat considering its bulletproof
anyway, if anyone can get a link or a transcript it'd be great.
An intresting comment was phoned in.
Basically the working class areas have seen the huge influx of migrant labour hoisted mainly in their areas and work pool.
As a consequence they voted no.
This was a very important issue to address, if there is to be a second referendum.Yet it was ignored.
Thought Dick threw a sly dig at the opposition for not pushing the yes vote as well.
Its only a chat, we ain't the world council.
In 2000 the Women's Institute in Britain gave Tony Blair the slow hand clap to demonstrate their contempt.
[COLOR="Red"]It was dignified, restrained and effective.[/COLOR]Doesn't Bertie deserve the same scorn. No shouting, no abuse, no agression just a relentless slow clap whenever he speaks in public would be enough to end that man's presidential fantasy.
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ah thats just the ususal bollockology thrown up to obsfucate the issue .
its typical of roach and co to defacto smear those areas as "racist" and wouldnt put it past them to have had a party faithfull phone that in . the fact is "working class areas" have far more experience of being ********************ed over by politicians than the leafy suburbs types and know a con job when they see one.
the brown envelope brigade never went near the foxrocks and greystones of the world, hence why they actually still TRUST politicians. but tallaght? with STILL half the number of gardai per person than the aran islands and having to fight for a decade to get a hospital for an area with a population of 100k is a weeee bit more cynical.
im not saying no one voted no because of that, but you could make the same arguement that people voted yes on the same grounds too as its just as relevant to the treaty and would represent just as small a figure on that side too.
i know more people who were more worried about the doddgyness of the whole process after the constitution got binned than were conscerned about immigration.
TBH to sum it up simply, its not the immigrants- its the policiy of the politicians that lied to us to allow it (paraphrasing dick roche from the nice 2 affair "less than 20 thosand people will come here from the accession countries, to say anything more is a xenophobic scaremongering slur" or words to that effect) so what to stop them lying about lisbon?
after all dick swore blind at the time of nice we wouldnt lose our comissioner, and now the cheeky bastard is using that as club to bludgeon people into voting FOR lisbon !
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I grew up in Tallaght and most of my family still live there. I am out more than a decade and what you say still pisses me of. Well done on your analysis, you are 100% correct. We were an are only ever seen as scumbags who had and have social problems because we deserve it by these politicians.Originally Posted by constitutionus
ah thats just the ususal bollockology thrown up to obsfucate the issue .
its typical of roach and co to defacto smear those areas as "racist" and wouldnt put it past them to have had a party faithfull phone that in . the fact is "working class areas" have far more experience of being ********************ed over by politicians than the leafy suburbs types and know a con job when they see one.
the brown envelope brigade never went near the foxrocks and greystones of the world, hence why they actually still TRUST politicians. but tallaght? with STILL half the number of gardai per person than the aran islands and having to fight for a decade to get a hospital for an area with a population of 100k is a weeee bit more cynical.
im not saying no one voted no because of that, but you could make the same arguement that people voted yes on the same grounds too as its just as relevant to the treaty and would represent just as small a figure on that side too.
i know more people who were more worried about the doddgyness of the whole process after the constitution got binned than were conscerned about immigration.
TBH to sum it up simply, its not the immigrants- its the policiy of the politicians that lied to us to allow it (paraphrasing dick roche from the nice 2 affair "less than 20 thosand people will come here from the accession countries, to say anything more is a xenophobic scaremongering slur" or words to that effect) so what to stop them lying about lisbon?
after all dick swore blind at the time of nice we wouldnt lose our comissioner, and now the cheeky bastard is using that as club to bludgeon people into voting FOR lisbon !
No money for Health Reform, Gardai or Schools - but tonnes for tax breaks on stallion fees, building sports stadia that we don't need and giving tax breaks to professional sports people.
Tiz a grand wee country all right.
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h.
Too long in power, totally out of touch and brimming with arrogant contempt for the people who pay their (official) wages. And still they wonder why we won't do what they tell us....
"There isn’t a country of the 17 euro countries at present who could carry this in a referendum, there isn’t a single country bar Ireland." - Minister for Finance, on Bloomberg tv.
Why use leveraged borrowings to recapitalise banks in a way that makes the public carry the debt if the banks fail to repay?
Why would be you be sure of that, the guy is a megalomaniac. He probably just wants his friends to see him in the lair with the "leftist beasts".
These sides are so diametrically opposed that they will both record victories from a bit of a goading session.
Klaus is a hard right "faux dissident"
the rest a cross-section of the left the middle and the moderate right.
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theres a creeping bigotry that become obvious since the rejection of lisbon in the media and the body politic that can pretty much be summed up by saying.
"if we can find the right collection of wording we can get these thick ********************ers to agree to anything."
its incredibly arrogant but they just dont seem to be able to comprehend the fact that theyre on the wrong side of the arguement. in fact the actual possibility that theyre wrong period is beyond them.
its partonising the extreme but TBH what i expect from them. theres been a shift away from the grassroots going on for the last couple of decades in the upper echelons of political parties. as HE 3 said theyre THAT far out of touch now that theyre starting to belive their own bullshyte.
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How many times will we have to vote NO before this particular penny starts to drop?
Just goes to show how out of touch the Political Establishment is.
IIRC only Leo Varadkar out here in Dublin West had the balls to state the obvious about this.
Europa Conventus Delenda Est
getting back to the OP newstalk reporting theyve got confirmation of this.
has NO ONE got a link?
they have pat cox going on about this but after listening to everything he's said it doesnt look like he's broken any law.
most he could say it was a breech of trust.
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