No French referendum on turkish accession

[Eorna]

They are in negotiations on EU membership, though the current Austrian Chancellor was opposed to entry without referendum in his country before the election. The junior coalition partner, the Peoples Party, insisted in the previously that the talks are open-ended as to their outcome which may not be EU membership. Sarkozy meanwhile ran on an anti-Turkish membership platform and has since pushed through constitutional changes that allow Turkish accession by a weighted parliamentary-majority or a referendum - unlike the version Chirac pushed through which required a referendum. Clearly Sarkozy is preparing to sellout on this. Hopefully Austria and Germany won't. Unanimity is required for new members to join under EU law.

Clear evidence that Sarkozy is planning to break his promises to the French people on blocking Turkish membership:



Allowing Turkey into the EU would stretch it to breaking point. Post-911, it would be lunacy to open your borders to a Muslim country of 70 million people. The so-called secularism of Turkey is imposed within its borders by the military and secularist-appointed judges. It cannot impose secularism on its diaspora around the world. Remember that. Turkish membership would also inevitably mean another huge influx of cheap labour at a time when Irish people are losing their jobs by the tens of thousands every month. It would be rubbing salt into the wounds of the Irish unemployed to force them to compete with even more cheap labour from a country with a combined population as large as that of the 10 countries that joined the EU in 2004. The politicians in Dail Eireann should withdraw their slavish support for Turkish entry, which is largely motivated by a desire to help their corporate donors get more slave labour to displace Irish people with and drive down working-conditions. Labour needs to recognise that Turkish EU entry will damage the Irish working-class, and should resist the ideological leftwing tendency to allow excessive internationalism on their part to blind them to this fact. We are not 'citizens of the world' - we are Irish people, thank you very much.

Spot on FutureTaoiseach, that would sum up the view of most Irish people.

[forest]

Turkish membership would also inevitably mean another huge influx of cheap labour at a time when Irish people are losing their jobs by the tens of thousands every month.

If turkey join it wont be for another 10-15 years who knows what change our or the EU's economy will be at that stage.
The current leaders of europe will have also have changed.

I am opposed however to turkey joining not because they are Islamic or to do with cheap labour but for the same reason i oppose Georgia and Armenia, they are.... not European

[myksav]

google article 301 of the turkish criminal code. italy want to speed up accession and france want to halt it. ireland does not do geopolitical expansion and prob has a euphemism for e.u border unrest.,

Real nice. Just the thing we need.

[martel]

Real nice. Just the thing we need.

Ya, here it is. Janey mac...

Article 301 (Turkish penal code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

[Christine Murray]

'Italy calls for quick Turkish accession to E.U' , is on the Lisbon forum. The links to argument on 301 and accession are on there.

[Bobert]

Ya, here it is. Janey mac...

Article 301 (Turkish penal code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

From Amnesty International, don't you know...

Turkey: Article 301 is a threat to freedom of expression and must be repealed now!

[Christine Murray]

international pen have also campaigned through writers in prisons commitees, 10 students are now facing charges and the pope even went to do a little photo op there just before a border skirmish with p.k.k . we have appalling geopolitical and foreign policy analysis. who defines turkishness?

[Trampas]

who defines turkishness?

The islamist (and politically unassailable) AKP I would suggest.

[Christine Murray]

amazing that the tub-thumpers always quash free speech in the first instance and then seek to define indiviual rights without cognizance of negotiated and universally accepted human rights.

[Trampas]

I posted the following on another thread. Seems germane to this one also.


Who said the following in October 2004 ?


Quote: “ The Turkish question is a very serious one. It is therefore very important that a decision is made only with the support of European citizens.”


Step forward Jose Manuel Barroso, incoming President of the European Commission.

Both before and since that date the EU, through a succession of Eurobarometer polls, has been left in no doubt about the attitude of EU “citizens” to Turkish membership.

The most recent Eurobarometer poll published just a couple of weeks ago
asked the following question:

QA44. “ For each of the following countries and territories, [ 12 are listed ] would you be in favour or against it becoming part of the European Union in the future.”

Turkey comes dead last on that list of 12, with just 31% in favour, 55% against and 14% DK.

Turkish membership negotiations continue in Brussels where the EU takes not a blind bit of notice of the outcome of its own opinion poll. As for Germany/France/Austria vetoing Turkish membership, well I wouldn’t hold my breath. This one is going through…..without that “very important” support of European citizens.