Why it may be time to consider handing in my Irish passport

[evercloserunion]

Were not.
I gaurentee if you put a choice bill with an 11 week cap to the people it would pass.

Eh, you just said we're conservative on the issue and now you're saying we're not. Which is it?

And interesting how our elected representatives haven't actually proposed such a bill. Idle speculation is just that - idle speculation.

I don't know anyone who said they voted no, as you kow the vote was split along age and economic lines and I happen to be in the age, education and economic class that overwhelmingly voted no.

Eh what, so you didn't actually ask anyone how they voted, you just made a whopper of an assumption based on the fact that you're uneducated?

This is getting more bizarre as it goes along.

and the polls didn't reflect the view that many voted no for that reason, we all know the 99 year old man who smoked for 10 000 years without getting cancer, everyone knows an example of someone.

Actually I don't know any such man. I know you were being flippant but there is a serious point here. For example, I know a man who smoked for 40 years without dying of cancer. From that I may infer that some people who smoke for 40 years do not die of cancer. And this is a conclusion entirely consistent with reality. The point is that once you encounter someone with real life experience of people talking about conscription, it's generally not a great idea to go dismissing it out of hand. I have already explained the problem with the polls.

The only people who said abortion was in it were Coir, as I've pointed out, only "core" no voters who always vote in EU referendums listend to them, and I never heard any group talk about conscription, even the socialists.

It wasn't just Cóir, it was Kathy Sinnott and Libertas too, via Declan Ganley's quote in the Athlone Voice newspaper and his insidious "question mark" comment. And if you never heard any group talk about conscription then you should have gotten out more. I was campaigning outside the GPO on numerous occasions and I heard them, loud and clear.

[NingúnOtro]

One IRISH passport on offer?

I'm buying gladly!

I'll trade for 10 SPANISH ones if needed, they democratically suck anyway.

Would also gladly accept trading the proposed "European Constitution" and its clones, and event the undemocratic spanish one for BUNREACHT NA hÉIREANN. At least that is the one that has shown its muscle in defending the will of its citizens, as any Constitution should. Shame on all others.

Don't be bullied into believing you did european peoples disservice...

[Pauli]

Good riddance. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

It's telling that the 'problems' she mentions relate to politicians having to answer for denying their peoples a vote on this treaty. Sortof makes me feel proud to have stood up for democracy in Europe, which is the real pro-European stance. We are closer to Boston than Berlin anyway so I'll shed no tears. Let the bureaucrats cry into their snails if it irks them so much. The Irish will not eat cake.

YOU might be closer to Boston than Berlin, FT, but I certainly am not and never will be so less of the "WE". Speak simply for yourself and nobody else.

[BoyInTheHood]

Well I'm not handing in my Irish passport for the simple reason that I'm not Irish and I don't have one.

I'm French and I think you Irish should be so so proud of the outcome of your vote! In the short term, old Europe is dead, in the medium term, the EU is dead, and in the long term, we're all dead anyway!

Speak loud and stand proud, for you have spoken in the name of the people.

Hold you passports up high and resist the assaults of Napolean III- and others.

[barrym]

Would I be considered naive for suggesting that Smyth's piece was 'suggested' ?

From todays IT -

"Active rebuttal of Lisbon misinformation urged

JAMIE SMYTH, European Correspondent, in Brussels

IN THE wake of the Irish vote on the Lisbon Treaty, the European Commission's vice-president has called for a more vigorous engagement by the commission in responding to "misinformation" about the treaty and the EU.

Sweden's commissioner Margot Wallström, in an internal letter to fellow commissioners ......"

.....presumably leaked to Smyth??

Of course the EC will want to influence the situation, but one hoped that the IT would not buy in to such obvious news management.

Bye, Barry

[Dillinger]

shameful stuff.....but not unexpected....when the Irish people don't listen to the so called "elite" or their "betters", it is clearly due to some mass deficiency on the part of the Irish people....if we are not careful, we will lose the benevolent protection of Madame and all the other pseuds.....

That is because, we have finally realised that the so called "elite" or "betters", haven't got a clue what they are doing, and most of them are a bunch of freeloading wasters, shapers and cute hoores, I would have more time for the drunks hanging around the four courts, at least they know they are wasters.