Next Euro Referendum will be as bitter as abortion/divorce

[eurosceptic]

Excellent piece in the sunday tribune by diarmad doyle. He reflects on this in the light of the post referendum viciousness by the yes side. The recent attempt to smear DG over the alaskan deal (which was fully within the rules) is one example. Have to say in my own experience of the campaign the yes people became increasingly aggressive and nasty as the yes lead slipped away. In the early stages the debates were gentlemanly and i enjoyed a few pints afterwards but as it became clear it going to be a close one everything changed. I have to agree any new referendum which will be the constitutional project in some guise (perhaps the treaty of paris) will be very unpleasant indeed. Do you agree?

[McDave]

Yeah, especially with such bitter pills as Coir on the No side.

Look on the bright side though. For those on both sides with a positive agenda, it'll be a scrap over something worthwhile. There'll be plenty of spoilers out there eager to spread lies and deception, and my guess is they'll be tackled by the Yes camp much more ruthlessly this time. But if Libertas, Sinn Fein and other anti-intergrationist or eurosceptic advocates can put an alternative vision of Europe's future across, there might be a haven of sanity for those willing to actually discuss the issues.

[Tribunaljunkie]

Excellent piece in the sunday tribune by diarmad doyle. He reflects on this in the light of the post referendum viciousness by the yes side. The recent attempt to smear DG over the alaskan deal (which was fully within the rules) is one example. Have to say in my own experience of the campaign the yes people became increasingly aggressive and nasty as the yes lead slipped away. In the early stages the debates were gentlemanly and i enjoyed a few pints afterwards but as it became clear it going to be a close one everything changed. I have to agree any new referendum which will be the constitutional project in some guise (perhaps the treaty of paris) will be very unpleasant indeed. Do you agree?

"referendum viciousness by the yes side"? Are you taking the piss?

The No side
- lied about conscription (and don't give me the rubbish that you did not. I was told a pack of lies on the issue by Coir, by RSF, by SF and others in canvassing on my doorstep, in leaflet drops, and in canvasses in two different shopping centres. Coir in particular were the biggest set of liars I have ever come across in thirty years of referendum campaigns.)
- lied about 118C, deliberately misquoting it.
- lied about the commissioners
- lied about a mythical quote from Gisgard d'Estaing.
- lied about abortion
- lied about taxation
- lied about the mythical 'President of Europe'
- lied about whether we could have more referenda

and told tons of other lies. I have never come across a campaign where one side (the No side) told so many barefaced lies.

The failure of the Yes side was that it didn't nail the lies (and all were demonstrably false and dishonest). They led too many lies go unchallenged.

Next time the Yes side will not be as gentlemanly and will point out the No side for what they are: a pack of liars.

[Harpo]

Excellent piece in the sunday tribune by diarmad doyle. He reflects on this in the light of the post referendum viciousness by the yes side. The recent attempt to smear DG over the alaskan deal (which was fully within the rules) is one example. Have to say in my own experience of the campaign the yes people became increasingly aggressive and nasty as the yes lead slipped away. In the early stages the debates were gentlemanly and i enjoyed a few pints afterwards but as it became clear it going to be a close one everything changed. I have to agree any new referendum which will be the constitutional project in some guise (perhaps the treaty of paris) will be very unpleasant indeed. Do you agree?

"referendum viciousness by the yes side"? Are you taking the piss?

The No side
- lied about conscription (and don't give me the rubbish that you did not. I was told a pack of lies on the issue by Coir, by RSF, by SF and others in canvassing on my doorstep, in leaflet drops, and in canvasses in two different shopping centres. Coir in particular were the biggest set of liars I have ever come across in thirty years of referendum campaigns.)
- lied about 118C, deliberately misquoting it.
- lied about the commissioners
- lied about a mythical quote from Gisgard d'Estaing.
- lied about abortion
- lied about taxation
- lied about the mythical 'President of Europe'
- lied about whether we could have more referenda

and told tons of other lies. I have never come across a campaign where one side (the No side) told so many barefaced lies.

The failure of the Yes side was that it didn't nail the lies (and all were demonstrably false and dishonest). They led too many lies go unchallenged.

Next time the Yes side will not be as gentlemanly and will point out the No side for what they are: a pack of liars.

Of course Coir are liars and a bunch of religious nutters.

However the the sheer lack of respect for democracy from the Yes side has been utterly appaling. They tried to run this treaty like it was merely a spring cleaning of the EU to make it more "efficient" when it clearly wasn't. It was about privatisation, militariasation and liberalisation of trade. It was essentially a treaty that would benifit no one but the rich (except the rich who believed the treaty might harm their dealings with the US military and other trans-atlantic investments)

[stewiegriffin]

"referendum viciousness by the yes side"? Are you taking the piss?

I have never come across a campaign where one side (the No side) told so many barefaced lies.

The failure of the Yes side was that it didn't nail the lies (and all were demonstrably false and dishonest). They led too many lies go unchallenged.

Next time the Yes side will not be as gentlemanly and will point out the No side for what they are: a pack of liars.

Cant get anymore ' vicious ' or ungentlemanly than totally disregarding the legitimate result imo.

[Clanrickard]

The No side
- lied about conscription (and don't give me the rubbish that you did not. I was told a pack of lies on the issue by Coir, by RSF, by SF and others in canvassing on my doorstep, in leaflet drops, and in canvasses in two different shopping centres. Coir in particular were the biggest set of liars I have ever come across in thirty years of referendum campaigns.)

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This was mentioned ad nauseum AFTER the referendum byt the YES side to portray the NO side as nutters. I heard nobody mention conscription up till then.

-[quote:15woithy] lied about a mythical quote from Gisgard d'Estaing.

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It was true LARA Marlow confirmed it later .

lied about abortion

Why did the Euro Parliament pass a motion demanding abortion 2 years ago and have a committee discussing it? If they knew it was off limits why talk about it? The reason is to push the ECJ and Council to make a Europe wide law to allow it.

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lied about taxation

Why was Tax Harmonisation high on the agenda for the French Presaidency? Why was it taken off once Lisobn was rejected?

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lied about the mythical 'President of Europe'

[/quote:15woithy]

They didn't

Do try and get the fatcs straight. Since this rejection the YES have said we will suffer economically even Cowan suggested our current situation was linked to Lisbon. We have been told we could be ejected from Europe which is a lie. Kindly argue the facts as irish people not as slavering europhiles doing Brussels bidding.

[Universal_001]

The only bad part about the campagn will be being on the same side as Coir and Libertas.

Unless it's a very diffrent treaty, which I hope to god it is, I really hate being on the same side as youth defence and coir...

[twtone]

The only bad part about the campagn will be being on the same side as Coir and Libertas.

Unless it's a very diffrent treaty, which I hope to god it is, I really hate being on the same side as youth defence and coir...

Funny, I'd hate being on the same side as bigots like you.

[Universal_001]

The only bad part about the campagn will be being on the same side as Coir and Libertas.

Unless it's a very diffrent treaty, which I hope to god it is, I really hate being on the same side as youth defence and coir...

Funny, I'd hate being on the same side as bigots like you.

First time I've been called that on this site!

I've been called:
-A fanatical neoliberal
-A communist
-A "lefty"
-An "internalised homophobe"
but bigot, thats just refreshing! :mrgreen:

[ibis]

[quote=Universal_001]

The only bad part about the campagn will be being on the same side as Coir and Libertas.

Unless it's a very diffrent treaty, which I hope to god it is, I really hate being on the same side as youth defence and coir...

Funny, I'd hate being on the same side as bigots like you.

First time I've been called that on this site!

I've been called:
-A fanatical neoliberal
-A communist
-A "lefty"
-An "internalised homophobe"
but bigot, thats just refreshing! :mrgreen:[/quote:3hocp7ko]

Particularly to be called one by twotone. Almost an honour!