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Just wondering what are the national parties policies on Turkey's place in the EU?
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Just wondering what are the national parties policies on Turkey's place in the EU?
Cheers
(not sure what forum to post this in, mods please move it if neccessary)
Could not answer that one, sorry. But the question is whether Turkey are ready....... economically, politically and in human rights terms........for membership. I doubt it.Originally Posted by bearded-barker
Provided the Copenhagen criteria are meet, Fine Gael believe (to the best of my knowledge) that Turkey should be allowed to join the European Union.
I presume Fianna Fáil, and the PDs support it with the above proviso.
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Christian Democrats support the cessation of Turkey into the EU, "to the best of your knowledge" ?
I suggest you go check out what your CD friends think JJ.
1,197 people agree with me.. how many agree with you ?
As usual RockofCashel manages to combine pompousity with ignorance.
What are you on about with this stupid sentence: "Christian Democrats support the cessation of Turkey into the EU, "to the best of your knowledge" ? "
If you using Christian Democrats and Fine Gael intererchangably as some form of rehtorical device? If so, it lacks logic, clarity, coherence and an understanding of Irish and European politics.
If, on the other hand, you are trying to suggest that I said that, which is my first understanding, you are wrong. Firstly, my comments refered to Fine Gael, and did not mention the anything like Christian Democras. Secondly, I would never make such a comments, because it does not make the slightest bit of sense.
Firstly, cessation means " A bringing or coming to an end" which clearly makes no sense in the above quoted sentence. Secondly, I would never refer to Christian Democrats and not provide an explanation of who I am talking about (indeed my reference in the above piece was solely to Fine Gael and did not mention Christian Democrats). I would refer to the Danish Christian Democrats, the German Christian Democrats, the Bavarian Christian Democrats, the Swedish CD and so on, as there is no organisation in Europe which would allow one to refer to Christian Democrats (as one could refer to the Conservatives, the Left, CDU, the PRI, Forza, the Republicans etc). Knowing that one might think that Rock's usage, which he seeks to apply to me, suggest that I believe that there is a unity of thought and coherence on this matter from all parties with the title Christian Democrats. But that doesn't stand up to even the most basic examation of the facts.
Of the major political parties that are called Christian Democrats, some oppose Turkish membership more support it, applying the Copenhagen Criteria test as FG do, I believe. The EPP, the political party which includes amongst it membership Christian Democrat, centre-right, populist , and centrist parties from across Europe, and of which the Motherland party (AKP) is an associate member, supports the position I outlined that Fine Gael does (to the best of my knowledge).
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Provided that they meet the Copenhagen Criteria, the following parties would appear to support Turkish accession:
Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, Sinn Féin, Progressive Democrats and the Greens. I haven't been able to find out the Labour Party position.
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On the ground, most FGers will tell you, not in a million years would they see a muslim country in the EU
S.Behan
I wish everybody would stop going on about that: Jack Straw was going about how great a victory for religious tolerance today's developments are. My arguments against Turkish integration have nothing to do with the fact that its population are Muslim. Now I don't like the fact that they're religious, but I don't really care what religion they are.
But I'm wary of allowing in a state with
1. a 70 million population, instantly making it the 2nd most politically powerful state (in terms of voting rights) in the EU,
2. with a dodgy record on democracy and the role of the military in political life,
3. a dodgy record on human rights,
4. an economy that has been doing well recently due to reforms forced through to please the EU, but which has the potential to go south (which the EU taxpayers will have to support once its in),
5. one in three of whose workers are employed in agriculture (how the hell is CAP supposed to fund that?? - though the figure is supposed to fall to 1 in 5 by the time they actually join)
6. and its a state with land borders with Syria, Iraq, Iran, Georgia and Armenia. If a Turkish Kurd marries an Iraqi Kurd with 3 kids, they can all move to Dublin and enjoy right of residence. Even if they then get divorced and the Turk goes home, the 4 Iraqis can live on in Dublin. By the time Turkey actually joins, its likely that those 4 Iraqis will be able to move here and claim social welfare.
7. once we've let a state that's not in Europe in, how do we turn down Jordan, Syria, Morocco etc?
So it pisses me off when Jack Straw goes on tv and says today's developments are a victory for those who are opposed to keeping a country out simply because its muslim.
Your wrong there Harpey, that may be your opinion but I do remember a motion in Ballina opposing Turkish membership being heavily defeated with jjcarroll speaking excellently against it as did Simon Coveney. Prior to the Summer at a joint meeting on the EU for 3 Dublin constituencies Gay Mitchell also expressed his support for Turkish membership aslong as they reached the Copenhagen criteria, his sentiments were warmly accepted by most in the room.
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