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    Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Libertas Chairman Declan Ganley has this afternoon said he has accepted an invitation to meet French President Nicholas Sarkozy.

    Sarkozy will be hosting a meeting of members of the Yes and No sides from the Lisbon Treaty campaign on Monday.

    "Along with many of my fellow Irish & European citizens, I was offended to hear Sarkozy say that Ireland would have to vote again. Sarkozy himself has denied the people of France a vote on the Lisbon Treaty saying 'if there was a referendum in France, there would be no treaty'. For Sarkozy to tell Ireland to vote again is a shocking indictment of the anti-democratic attitude of some European leaders.

    As a European, and in particular as current President of the European Council, Sarkozy has a democratic responsibility to respect the will of the Irish people.

    The Lisbon Treaty is dead, the same formula has now been rejected by the Dutch and by Sarkozy's own people and now by the people of Ireland.

    Ireland was the only country to hold a referendum, and the people said no. If our fellow Europeans in the other 26 countries were given a referendum, I am sure that most of them would give the same answer that Ireland did.

    I want Europe to be strong, prosperous and democratically legitimate. Comments by Sarkozy in response to the only democratic say on the Lisbon Treaty make Europe weaker.

    On Monday when we meet, I will be asking that he accept that the Irish people have rejected the Lisbon Treaty.

    Libertas will not participate in any debate on the Lisbon treaty on Monday - that debate ended when the people of Ireland voted no".
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    Libertas Chairman Declan Ganley has this afternoon said he has accepted an invitation to meet French President Nicholas Sarkozy.

    Sarkozy will be hosting a meeting of members of the Yes and No sides from the Lisbon Treaty campaign on Monday.

    "Along with many of my fellow Irish & European citizens, I was offended to hear Sarkozy say that Ireland would have to vote again. Sarkozy himself has denied the people of France a vote on the Lisbon Treaty saying 'if there was a referendum in France, there would be no treaty'. For Sarkozy to tell Ireland to vote again is a shocking indictment of the anti-democratic attitude of some European leaders.

    As a European, and in particular as current President of the European Council, Sarkozy has a democratic responsibility to respect the will of the Irish people.

    The Lisbon Treaty is dead, the same formula has now been rejected by the Dutch and by Sarkozy's own people and now by the people of Ireland.

    Ireland was the only country to hold a referendum, and the people said no. If our fellow Europeans in the other 26 countries were given a referendum, I am sure that most of them would give the same answer that Ireland did.

    I want Europe to be strong, prosperous and democratically legitimate. Comments by Sarkozy in response to the only democratic say on the Lisbon Treaty make Europe weaker.

    On Monday when we meet, I will be asking that he accept that the Irish people have rejected the Lisbon Treaty.

    Libertas will not participate in any debate on the Lisbon treaty on Monday - that debate ended when the people of Ireland voted no".
    funny, i could have sworn i heard ganley state that he wanted a renegociated treaty.

    and france and holland rejected the EU constitution, not the lisbon treaty. there, consequently, is no EU constitution.
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by zakalwe
    funny, i could have sworn i heard ganley state that he wanted a renegociated treaty.

    and france and holland rejected the EU constitution, not the lisbon treaty. there, consequently, is no EU constitution.
    So, by that logic, because we rejected Lisbon, there should, consequently, be no Lisbon?
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    Quote Originally Posted by zakalwe
    funny, i could have sworn i heard ganley state that he wanted a renegociated treaty.

    and france and holland rejected the EU constitution, not the lisbon treaty. there, consequently, is no EU constitution.
    So, by that logic, because we rejected Lisbon, there should, consequently, be no Lisbon?
    That will indeed be the case if we reject it again - sure it took two rejections to kill the Constitution.
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    Well said Declan. The whole of Ireland and Europe owes you so much. You brought criticism of the EU onto the mainstream stage. It was you who exposed the flaws of the Lisbon treaty/EU constitution so succinctly. Roll on a new political movement at home and in Europe to shake up the cosy and self serving elite.

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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by ibis
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    Quote Originally Posted by zakalwe
    funny, i could have sworn i heard ganley state that he wanted a renegociated treaty.

    and france and holland rejected the EU constitution, not the lisbon treaty. there, consequently, is no EU constitution.
    So, by that logic, because we rejected Lisbon, there should, consequently, be no Lisbon?
    That will indeed be the case if we reject it again - sure it took two rejections to kill the Constitution.

    Roll on Lisbon II.
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    "Along with many of my fellow Irish & European citizens, I was offended to hear Sarkozy say that Ireland would have to vote again.
    Really? Were you offended when Declan Ganley, Mary Lou McDonald and many others on the No side said it too?


    As a European, and in particular as current President of the European Council, Sarkozy has a democratic responsibility to respect the will of the Irish people.
    The will of the Irish people IS being respected by Sarkozy. He has said many times that without Irish ratification, Lisbon cannot come into being. How much more do you need?
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    Libertas Chairman Declan Ganley has this afternoon said he has accepted an invitation to meet French President Nicholas Sarkozy.

    Sarkozy will be hosting a meeting of members of the Yes and No sides from the Lisbon Treaty campaign on Monday.

    "Along with many of my fellow Irish & European citizens, I was offended to hear Sarkozy say that Ireland would have to vote again. Sarkozy himself has denied the people of France a vote on the Lisbon Treaty saying 'if there was a referendum in France, there would be no treaty'. For Sarkozy to tell Ireland to vote again is a shocking indictment of the anti-democratic attitude of some European leaders.

    As a European, and in particular as current President of the European Council, Sarkozy has a democratic responsibility to respect the will of the Irish people.

    The Lisbon Treaty is dead, the same formula has now been rejected by the Dutch and by Sarkozy's own people and now by the people of Ireland.

    Ireland was the only country to hold a referendum, and the people said no. If our fellow Europeans in the other 26 countries were given a referendum, I am sure that most of them would give the same answer that Ireland did.

    I want Europe to be strong, prosperous and democratically legitimate. Comments by Sarkozy in response to the only democratic say on the Lisbon Treaty make Europe weaker.

    On Monday when we meet, I will be asking that he accept that the Irish people have rejected the Lisbon Treaty.

    Libertas will not participate in any debate on the Lisbon treaty on Monday - that debate ended when the people of Ireland voted no".

    How democratic.

    Spend a couple of million quid on a phoney political campaign and before you know it, you're chin wagging with the President of the European Council.
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by goosebump
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    Libertas Chairman Declan Ganley has this afternoon said he has accepted an invitation to meet French President Nicholas Sarkozy.

    Sarkozy will be hosting a meeting of members of the Yes and No sides from the Lisbon Treaty campaign on Monday.

    "Along with many of my fellow Irish & European citizens, I was offended to hear Sarkozy say that Ireland would have to vote again. Sarkozy himself has denied the people of France a vote on the Lisbon Treaty saying 'if there was a referendum in France, there would be no treaty'. For Sarkozy to tell Ireland to vote again is a shocking indictment of the anti-democratic attitude of some European leaders.

    As a European, and in particular as current President of the European Council, Sarkozy has a democratic responsibility to respect the will of the Irish people.

    The Lisbon Treaty is dead, the same formula has now been rejected by the Dutch and by Sarkozy's own people and now by the people of Ireland.

    Ireland was the only country to hold a referendum, and the people said no. If our fellow Europeans in the other 26 countries were given a referendum, I am sure that most of them would give the same answer that Ireland did.

    I want Europe to be strong, prosperous and democratically legitimate. Comments by Sarkozy in response to the only democratic say on the Lisbon Treaty make Europe weaker.

    On Monday when we meet, I will be asking that he accept that the Irish people have rejected the Lisbon Treaty.

    Libertas will not participate in any debate on the Lisbon treaty on Monday - that debate ended when the people of Ireland voted no".

    How democratic.

    Spend a couple of million quid on a phoney political campaign and before you know it, you're chin wagging with the President of the European Council.
    No, no - Declan is a 'man of de people'. He's certainly not being invited instead of other No campaigners simply because he's already a respectable member of the elite, I'm sure (as opposed to a danger to society like Mary Lou).
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by hiding behind a poster
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    "Along with many of my fellow Irish & European citizens, I was offended to hear Sarkozy say that Ireland would have to vote again.
    Really? Were you offended when Declan Ganley, Mary Lou McDonald and many others on the No side said it too?


    As a European, and in particular as current President of the European Council, Sarkozy has a democratic responsibility to respect the will of the Irish people.
    The will of the Irish people IS being respected by Sarkozy. He has said many times that without Irish ratification, Lisbon cannot come into being. How much more do you need?
    First point, I didn't say it, Declan did. You moron.

    Second point, we said NO to Lisbon not "Ask us in the morning after we have a rest."
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