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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    And Ibis, I'd have thought better of you. Well, no I wouldn't. Plays best to the gallery... times change and therefore situations incurred change sentiments.
    I'm amused that you can't see what you're saying there: you reject "plays best to the gallery" and offer "times change and therefore situations incurred change[d] sentiments".
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by ibis
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    And Ibis, I'd have thought better of you. Well, no I wouldn't. Plays best to the gallery... times change and therefore situations incurred change sentiments.
    I'm amused that you can't see what you're saying there: you reject "plays best to the gallery" and offer "times change and therefore situations incurred change[d] sentiments".

    Yes, plays to gallery suggests we changed to suit ourselves. Not other people.
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

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    Libertas Chairman Declan Ganley has this afternoon said he has accepted an invitation to meet French President Nicholas Sarkozy.

    Sarkozy will be hosting a meeting of members of the Yes and No sides from the Lisbon Treaty campaign on Monday.

    "Along with many of my fellow Irish & European citizens, I was offended to hear Sarkozy say that Ireland would have to vote again. Sarkozy himself has denied the people of France a vote on the Lisbon Treaty saying 'if there was a referendum in France, there would be no treaty'. For Sarkozy to tell Ireland to vote again is a shocking indictment of the anti-democratic attitude of some European leaders.

    As a European, and in particular as current President of the European Council, Sarkozy has a democratic responsibility to respect the will of the Irish people.

    The Lisbon Treaty is dead, the same formula has now been rejected by the Dutch and by Sarkozy's own people and now by the people of Ireland.

    Ireland was the only country to hold a referendum, and the people said no. If our fellow Europeans in the other 26 countries were given a referendum, I am sure that most of them would give the same answer that Ireland did.

    I want Europe to be strong, prosperous and democratically legitimate. Comments by Sarkozy in response to the only democratic say on the Lisbon Treaty make Europe weaker.

    On Monday when we meet, I will be asking that he accept that the Irish people have rejected the Lisbon Treaty.

    Libertas will not participate in any debate on the Lisbon treaty on Monday - that debate ended when the people of Ireland voted no".

    How democratic.

    Spend a couple of million quid on a phoney political campaign and before you know it, you're chin wagging with the President of the European Council.

    Ah, no... 750,000, not 750,000,000. And you say phoney? Why so?

    "Vote No to keep our Commissioner"

    "Vote No for a Better Deal for Ireland"

    "Vote Yes for Abortion"

    That kind of phoney....
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by goosebump
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    Libertas Chairman Declan Ganley has this afternoon said he has accepted an invitation to meet French President Nicholas Sarkozy.

    Sarkozy will be hosting a meeting of members of the Yes and No sides from the Lisbon Treaty campaign on Monday.

    "Along with many of my fellow Irish & European citizens, I was offended to hear Sarkozy say that Ireland would have to vote again. Sarkozy himself has denied the people of France a vote on the Lisbon Treaty saying 'if there was a referendum in France, there would be no treaty'. For Sarkozy to tell Ireland to vote again is a shocking indictment of the anti-democratic attitude of some European leaders.

    As a European, and in particular as current President of the European Council, Sarkozy has a democratic responsibility to respect the will of the Irish people.

    The Lisbon Treaty is dead, the same formula has now been rejected by the Dutch and by Sarkozy's own people and now by the people of Ireland.

    Ireland was the only country to hold a referendum, and the people said no. If our fellow Europeans in the other 26 countries were given a referendum, I am sure that most of them would give the same answer that Ireland did.

    I want Europe to be strong, prosperous and democratically legitimate. Comments by Sarkozy in response to the only democratic say on the Lisbon Treaty make Europe weaker.

    On Monday when we meet, I will be asking that he accept that the Irish people have rejected the Lisbon Treaty.

    Libertas will not participate in any debate on the Lisbon treaty on Monday - that debate ended when the people of Ireland voted no".

    How democratic.

    Spend a couple of million quid on a phoney political campaign and before you know it, you're chin wagging with the President of the European Council.

    Ah, no... 750,000, not 750,000,000. And you say phoney? Why so?

    "Vote No to keep our Commissioner"

    "Vote No for a Better Deal for Ireland"

    "Vote Yes for Abortion"

    That kind of phoney....

    True

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    False, but we never claimed it.
    Every one sees what you appear to be, few really know what you are, and those few dare not oppose themselves to the opinion of the many, who have the majesty of the state to defend them.

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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

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    Nice applies; Commission will be 18 in 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
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    So what's the better deal?

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    False, but we never claimed it.
    Ganley was asked if ratification would lead to abortion in Ireland on Q&A a week before the poll; he refused to confirm this, and said that the potential existed.
    A demagogue is someone who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.

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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by goosebump
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    Nice applies; Commission will be 18 in 2009

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    True
    So what's the better deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    False, but we never claimed it.
    Ganley was asked if ratification would lead to abortion in Ireland on Q&A a week before the poll; he refused to confirm this, and said that the potential existed.
    Byrne Assurance

    We'll know on Monday.

    No, he said "There's a question mark."
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    Quote Originally Posted by ibis
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    And Ibis, I'd have thought better of you. Well, no I wouldn't. Plays best to the gallery... times change and therefore situations incurred change sentiments.
    I'm amused that you can't see what you're saying there: you reject "plays best to the gallery" and offer "times change and therefore situations incurred change[d] sentiments".

    Yes, plays to gallery suggests we changed to suit ourselves. Not other people.
    Um, no.
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    We'll know on Monday.
    So you think Sarko is going to re-negotiate Lisbon with Ganley on Monday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    No, he said "There's a question mark."
    A demagogue is someone who will preach doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.

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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by ibis
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    Quote Originally Posted by ibis
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    And Ibis, I'd have thought better of you. Well, no I wouldn't. Plays best to the gallery... times change and therefore situations incurred change sentiments.
    I'm amused that you can't see what you're saying there: you reject "plays best to the gallery" and offer "times change and therefore situations incurred change[d] sentiments".

    Yes, plays to gallery suggests we changed to suit ourselves. Not other people.
    Um, no.
    Bravo.
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    Re: Libertas accepts invitation to meet Sarkozy

    Quote Originally Posted by goosebump
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    We'll know on Monday.
    So you think Sarko is going to re-negotiate Lisbon with Ganley on Monday?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobert
    No, he said "There's a question mark."
    No, but we'll know what the GOVERNMENT can re-negotiate...

    Don't you roll your eyes at me...
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