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About LinkBacksMore than two-thirds of Irish voters found the 'no' campaign in the Lisbon Treaty referendum more convincing, according to a poll conducted by the European Commission.
Full story here. What do the 'Yes' people say to that I wonder?
More than two-thirds of Irish voters found the 'no' campaign in the Lisbon Treaty referendum more convincing, according to a poll conducted by the European Commission.
Full story here. What do the 'Yes' people say to that I wonder?
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Originally Posted by Aindriu
"LIES" of course ! the yes camp dont do democracy
like the patronising dig at the end though.
Maybe a recession will focus people's minds if a second vote is called.
"Unless you are an absolute pacifist, then you acknowledge that there are times when taking up arms is appropriate."
- cactusflower
The 'yes' side had a difficult case to argue. Their main contention was that Ireland would find itself isolated if we voted 'no', a point that they could only prove by losing the referendum!
For my money, the point has been proved in the aftermath, which gives them a stronger starting point in the event of a re-run.
Isolated is a subjective arguement. For example Norway is "isolated" from a certain point of view but it's doing fine as are all the EFTA countries. In Norway's referendum on joining the EU in the 90's the "isolation" arguement was repeatedly offered by the yes campaign. We are full members of the EU as defined by TOR, SEA, MT, AT & NT so this notion of "isolation" is extremely vague and weak.
The recession is world wide and nothing to do with the EU or our rejection of the Treaty. More spin from the 'Yes' side.
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Oh I don't mean to say that they're connected, just that a less bouncy economy might remind the electorate of the use the EU has been - as opposed to spurious non-issues like our supposed sovereignty diminuation.The recession is world wide and nothing to do with the EU or our rejection of the Treaty. More spin from the 'Yes' side.
"Unless you are an absolute pacifist, then you acknowledge that there are times when taking up arms is appropriate."
- cactusflower
Not surprised they're nice and cosy, given that they're sitting on the biggest oil reserves this side of Syria.
I wonder if we could get Bord na Mona to crank up turf production?
Eh, that a European Commission survey showed that two-thirds of Irish voters found the 'no' campaign more convincing?
My point fergalino is that if the governments main plank was "vote yes even if you dont like it because if you dont we will end up in a vague and subjective position of "isolation" and bad things might happen" then there were no strong arguements for saying yes. This is why i believe the rise of euroscepticism both at home and abroad is down to a realisation that we dont need the EU. (membership may be desirable depending on your point of view)
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