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    The whole reaction from the powers that be up till now has being aiding the people smugglers and leading to unnecessary death. It is long past time for an Australian type policy to be introduced.
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    The Mayor of Sicily have even have arranged the order of this 'cargo' in Africa itself.

    https://medium.com/@wordsinthebucket...s-542dc78d3f28

    In Italy, migrants are victims of the huge business called “agromafia”, short for mafia in the agriculture sector, estimated to have had a revenue of around 14 billion euros in 2013. FLAI-CGIL is the Italian labour union which supervises and protects human rights in working conditions in the agriculture field. Professor Jean-Rene Bilongo, FLAI-CGIL Migrants Affairs National Officer in the interview with WIB, says “Migrants are often victims of exploitative labour in agriculture” and it is not an issue limited to Southern Italy.

    The ‘enslaving’process’, begins even before migrants arrive on the Italian shores. In fact, the organized crime, through local intermediaries in Africa and the Middle East, arranges the journey for thousand euro, a debt that forces them to accept horrid living and working conditions at the time of arrival. Obliged to work in illegal forms to pay back the debt, migrants also get threatened to be exposed to the police their illegal stay in the country, thus facing the repatriation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karloff View Post
    The Mayor of Sicily have even have arranged the order of this 'cargo' in Africa itself.

    https://medium.com/@wordsinthebucket...s-542dc78d3f28
    Surely Salvini as interior minister has the power to overrule these corrupt 'mayors'.
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    Bring them to Ireland and give them a house, dole and free health care. Bring their extended families over too. Compel every Dublin Householder to build a lean too extension to house them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flavirostris View Post
    Surely Salvini as interior minister has the power to overrule these corrupt 'mayors'.
    But will he use it though, the corruption in that country is beyond anything in Ireland. This is a test to see if these new parties walk the walk as well as talk the talk.

    This is a huge business, the mafia are fully integrated into it.

    https://forcedmigrationforum.com/201...ime-in-sicily/

    With the establishment of refugee camps throughout the island and mainland, the Cosa Nostra has bribed officials and secured contracts to manage the accommodation of refugees. This allows them to profit from government subsidies which amount to around $37.50 per immigrant per day, a rapidly growing multi-million dollar business.[9] This creates a perverse incentive that works against encamped refugees: “The interest is to open as many [camps] as possible and keep the migrants there. The longer they keep them, the more money they bring in. . .,” claims one Sicilian senator.[10] Similarly, the Cosa Nostra has bribed and coerced officials in Catania, Sicily’s second largest city, to offer tenders to mafia-run companies.

    Yet Cosa Nostra influence remains present throughout all levels of Sicilian society and government and members of Girasoli admit that the mafia is actively seeking control over their former property.
    I think it clearly explains why the Mayor of Sicily would defy the country's leaders, they are a law unto themselves and he probably answers to a different 'boss'. Aside from Agri-slavery (fruit picking season is coming) the mafia also uses the migrants for drug dealing, prostitution, thieving. These facts should make those who are pro migration and think they are being decent think again. The world is run by men of power and wealth and that is usually their agenda but it would make you think really long about those intellectual forces who signal virtue (like the IT) who promote mass migration who should and do know better.
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    That and the law required them to let the ship dock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    It's against International Law not to take them. Something most Southern mayor's recognised and stated they couldn't follow an illegal order by the Italian govt. So Palermo is taking them in.

    If the new govt wants to withdraw Italy from the agreements previous govts signed up to, they should do that. But just deciding not to follow the law isn't going to work.

    The wider issue is that Italy (And Greece) do deserve a better deal from the EU as they take the sharp end of immigrants. This is not really the best way to get that deal.
    I may be wrong but I read somewhere that the new gov wants migrant sharing which may indicate a divide between anti-immigrant parties there and elsewhere in Europe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    It's against International Law not to take them. Something most Southern mayor's recognised and stated they couldn't follow an illegal order by the Italian govt. So Palermo is taking them in.

    If the new govt wants to withdraw Italy from the agreements previous govts signed up to, they should do that. But just deciding not to follow the law isn't going to work.

    The wider issue is that Italy (And Greece) do deserve a better deal from the EU as they take the sharp end of immigrants. This is not really the best way to get that deal.
    Check the "law" again.



    And after that, we can get to the concept of "illegal under international law".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratio Et Fides View Post
    The whole reaction from the powers that be up till now has being aiding the people smugglers and leading to unnecessary death. It is long past time for an Australian type policy to be introduced.
    Long long overdue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valamhic View Post
    Bring them to Ireland and give them a house, dole and free health care. Bring their extended families over too. Compel every Dublin Householder to build a lean too extension to house them.
    I'm all up for that once the good people of D4 and other leafy suburbs are first in line.
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