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    Mick Mac Mick Mac is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    He's behaved like a clown.
    How so?

    A paused udi has allowed him to throw the bun to Spain. Which has now been put in the place of asking the Catalonians to start talking and explaining what they meant... even though last week the thought of any discussion was verboten.

    Now Spain will do what exactly. Clamp down...but that's excessive there was a paused UDI.

    Not do anything...so a UDI stands its just the catalans are laying the ground for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    He's behaved like a clown.
    I'm not so sure that it is a good thing to dismiss him like that. By postponing the UDI, he has made it appear like the Catalans are being sensible and diplomatic. The Spanish government has been effectively forced into reacting and it isn't reacting well. Had the Catalans gone ahead with a simple UDI, the Spanish government might have moved in troops quickly. The longer the uncertaintly lasts for the Spanish government, the more visible the cracks will become. It is almost a question of which government cracks first.
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    Is Puigdemont growing a backbone? "We asked for dialogue, and the response is to put Article 155 on the table. Understood."

    https://mobile.twitter.com/KRLS/stat...04043033567234
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    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...-idUSKBN1CG12O

    There is confusion and uncertainty in Madrid. The Catalan republic have 8 days to explain to them what they are up to.




    Invoking Article 155 to ease Spain’s worst political crisis in four decades would make prospects of a negotiated solution even more remote.

    A spokesman for the Catalan government in Barcelona said earlier on Wednesday that if Madrid went down this road, it would press ahead with steps toward statehood.

    “We have given up absolutely nothing...We have taken a time out...which doesn’t mean a step backwards, or a renunciation or anything like that,” Catalan government spokesman Jordi Turull told Catalunya Radio.
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    Referendum repression: Spanish police have now filed criminal complaints against the Mayor of Barcelona @AdaColau, the president of the parliament, the head of the Catalan police, the president of Catalonia @KRLS, and the VP @junqueras https://t.co/KeYd7Dh6NG
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Referendum repression: Spanish police have now filed criminal complaints against the Mayor of Barcelona @AdaColau, the president of the parliament, the head of the Catalan police, the president of Catalonia @KRLS, and the VP @junqueras https://t.co/KeYd7Dh6NG
    It's sad to see the Spanish govt making fools of themselves again.
    What on earth benefit is it to any country to seek force many millions of people to be citizens when they clearly and emphatically do not want it and desire their own independent state?

    Better to let them off and have an extremely friendly two state solution.

    I'm astounded at the Spanish govt but when one takes a close look at its leader its obvious he is not the brightest.
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    A slightly more academic analysis of the situation:

    https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/...the-beginning/
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    Is our army mobilsed yet?

    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    I'm not so sure that it is a good thing to dismiss him like that. By postponing the UDI, he has made it appear like the Catalans are being sensible and diplomatic. The Spanish government has been effectively forced into reacting and it isn't reacting well. Had the Catalans gone ahead with a simple UDI, the Spanish government might have moved in troops quickly. The longer the uncertaintly lasts for the Spanish government, the more visible the cracks will become. It is almost a question of which government cracks first.
    OR Which side will get their request for EU miilitary assistance in first?

    Remember the Lisbon treaty

    Whereas the Lisbon Treaty Solidarity Clause (Title VII, article 188R) states that:

    1. "The Union and its Member States shall act jointly in a spirit of solidarity if a Member State is the object
    of a terrorist attack or the victim of a natural or man-made disaster
    . The Union shall mobilise all the instruments at
    its disposal, including the military resource s made available by the Member States, to:

    (a) - prevent the terrorist threat in the territory of the Member States;
    – protect democratic institutions and the civilian population from any terrorist attack;
    – assist a Member State in its territory, at the request of its political authorities, in the event of a terrorist attack;

    (b) - assist a Member State in its territory, at the request of its political authorities, in the event of a natural or
    man-made disaster.
    Ironically, the above clause was inserted after the Madrid bombings
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Field Marshal View Post
    It's sad to see the Spanish govt making fools of themselves again.
    What on earth benefit is it to any country to seek force many millions of people to be citizens when they clearly and emphatically do not want it and desire their own independent state?

    Better to let them off and have an extremely friendly two state solution.

    I'm astounded at the Spanish govt but when one takes a close look at its leader its obvious he is not the brightest.
    Probably thinking of their exchequer, Catalonia and the Basque Country generate a lot of wealth.
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    Listening to a Catalan republican interviewed on RTE made me think more about Brexit, an idea which took hold without any thought to how it will be achieved nor the consequences. Brexit means Brexit and Yes means yes.
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