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    Gaddafi said the same thing. It seems like some kind of reckoning against the White Europeans is on everybody's lips in the Third World these days, from angry intellectuals in former colonies complaining about the Raj or Leopold - to Jews going on endlessly about the holocaust like it happened yesterday (and if they believe that or something like it then they still hate and might want revenge) to Asians and the burning of the Summer Palace. Europe seems to be a place to hang their blame.

    We should control the numbers within our borders anyway... just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy Talbot View Post
    I wouldn't worry about Erdogan as he is playing to the nationalist gallery in Turkey. He'll make a lot of tub-thumping noises but he won't for example move against NATO bases in Turkey as he knows shortly afterwards he'd be on television being pulled out of a drainage pipe covered in dust and rubble.

    I'm okay with him making as many daft statements as he likes against any European government as every time he does another little application form for Turkish membership of the EU curls up and dies in a dark corner of an office in Brussels.

    Keep going, Recip
    Have you not seen the thousands of Turks in Germany and the Netherlands who turn up at his rallies? Its not just something happening in Turkey. And yesterday tens of thousands of Turkish Kurds demonstrated against Erdogan. So you can imagine there could be violence if those two groups of supporters face off against each other. This threatens social stability in Europe and is the epitome of Identity Politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drogheda445 View Post
    To be fair Trump's silence with regard to Erdogan is just as deafening. Surely given his nature for "speaking his mind" that his supporters love to tout he would have no issue going after Turkey's recent behaviour?
    Erdogan is Europe's problem.
    Not Trump's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemesiscorporation View Post
    There is enough ammunition to keep every racist and agitator going for a decade.
    Is the statement not racist? Does it not have racist intent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemesiscorporation View Post
    There is enough ammunition to keep every racist and agitator going for a decade.
    Yes. We sophisticates know that those brown people don't really mean what they say. We are far superior to them anyway so if they were to try anything funny we wouldn't really have to try very hard to bring them to heel again. Even though we are spineless and complacent and they are ideologically committed.
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    History teaches that political/societal fault lines are there for a reason. Invariably they're there for a very good reason, I might add.

    The historic, cultural and societal fault line that have always existed between "Europe" and Turkey, existed for very good reasons.

    Trying to ignore these historical fault lines is very unwise.

    Communist USSR's parting gift to western Europe was Angela Merkel.
    And it is Merkel who, at every single turn, has been at the forefront of making entreaties to Turkey.

    The sooner she's removed from office the better.
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    As threats of physical violence against European people cultural norms and democratic ideals go.
    That is pretty direct and unequivocal.
    This is real hate speech.
    Where's the outrage from the European Parliament?
    And the media?
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    Did Erdogan include athiest Turks and ex-muslim Turks in that instruction ?

    Ironically, Mussolini instructed Italians similarly in the 1930s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    Did Erdogan include athiest Turks and ex-muslim Turks in that instruction ?

    Ironically, Mussolini instructed Italians similarly in the 1930s.
    I would imagine that they are fair game.
    More so being Apostates.
    This guy is a very very nasty bully.
    The Turkish economic climate is poor.
    This is his diversion
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    The odd thing about Erdogan's effort to polarise Turkish society to make people more extreme, is that it will result in some people dropping religion or becomming interested in other religions.

    I have no doubt some secularist and Kemalists are onserving Erdogan and coming to the conclusion that religion is facilitating oppresion, authoritarianism and corruptoon.

    And spme will become athiests. And some will become Christians.

    Presumably Erdogan's response will be more oppression, lies and control.
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