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    Equinox Equinox is online now

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    Years of Lead

    Kraut and Tea offers a very relevant history lesson in this video on Italy's 'years of lead', like our 'troubles' it's a term that describes the period of Italy's decent into tit for tat communist and fascist terrorism and violence that claimed many lives between the late 60's and 80's.
    The years of lead began with the 68r's and their Marxist student revolts which birthed the Red Brigades, they launched a campaign of assassinations that even included the kidnap of Italian Prime minister Aldo Moro, who after a brief 'trial by the people' (sic) was murdered and dumped in a bin.

    The left wing violence became so bad it managed to resuscitate the flagging fortunes of Italy's fascist party who claimed to offer stability against the anarchy of the violent left, and they did so with a murderous campaign that managed to outstrip the red brigades body count.

    You can't help but draw parallels to today's political climate in Europe and America. We have a left hell bent on an ideological takeover and are quite prepared to ignore both democracy and the rule of law to achieve it. Already their behaviour has precipitated a right wing backlash in the form of Brexit, LePenn, Wilders and Trump.


    Are we headed into our own 'years of lead', or can we reclaim politics from the extremes?

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    If we let the extremists get a grip it will take generations to extricate ourselves. Unfortunately extremism of one bent or another seems to be the only choice on offer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derryman View Post
    If we let the extremists get a grip it will take generations to extricate ourselves. Unfortunately extremism of one bent or another seems to be the only choice on offer.
    As with Italy, the failure to nip the low level violence in the bud, but rather ignore it, will I fear walk us down this path. The failure of the media to call out or challenge the likes of Black Lives Matter and Antifa's tactics and motives, but instead offer mealy mouthed justifications for their behaviour has undermined democracy and created a space for right wing fascism to flourish in the absence of government's willingness or ability to address the societal pressures that are driving both sides.
    We badly, now more then ever, need politicians with vision. They need to stop their tacit ideological backing for the failed policies of mass immigration and globalization and focus on rebuilding the social cohesion that has been demolished by these twin pillars of chaos. This by necessity requires an undoing of the culture of extreme individualism to create more social capital and trust. Sadly I can't see many in power today that could be considered up to the job.
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    Equinox is correct. If the political centre does not respond to immorality and society wrecking from the Marxists, the right eventually gets asked to do it.

    Also I am remind of Churchill's prediction that after WW2, that the fascists will position themselves as anti-fascists'.

    That was exactly what happened in the Spoiled Brat revolution in Western Europe in 1968.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    Equinox is correct. If the political centre does not respond to immorality and society wrecking from the Marxists, the right eventually gets asked to do it.

    Also I am remind of Churchill's prediction that after WW2, that the fascists will position themselves as anti-fascists'.

    That was exactly what happened in the Spoiled Brat revolution in Western Europe in 1968.
    Indeed. What struck me about that very well researched video (it's well worth 15mins of your time) was the sense of deja vu.
    For all the talk of snowflakes, SJW's the Alt-Right etc, you can't help but realize watching it that we've been here before.
    Our leaders need to step back from ideological groupthink and start considering where the policies they are backing will lead. Long term thinkers are required. A vision of who we are and where we are goings as a people needs to be central to that long term planning.
    Sadly, virtue signalling is a popular policy because it costs nothing and our leaders vision only extends to the end of their nose.
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    In real life people virtue signal because their motives are to behave like absolute phuckers.

    This has always been the case.

    They simply use the tactic, and have whatever cloak suits them in the particular era. In previous eras they would have been puritans, communists, etc...
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    It is the mainstream who is responsible for people going to the extremes.

    People do not generally like voting for extreme parties and will only do so if they feel they have no choice because the mainstream are refusing to listen to them.

    If the extreme is elected, the mainstream is culpable.
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    The left taking over? The organised left in Europe and elsewhere is the weakest it's been since the industrial revolution. Even the events of th GFC, which should have acted as a shot in the arm to the anti-capitalist left, saw them make few tangible political gains.

    Moreover the entire political climate is far more right wing than it ever has been (1930s excepted). There is no mainstream left party that eschews neo-liberal economics. 'Left' parties from Ireland to Australia have presided over the privatisation of state assets, deregulation of economies and growing income inequality. Barring the Guardian there is no mainstream global media outlet with a consistent left wing editorial slant. The cultural war, such as it is, is being won by conservatives. Yet you're still insecure and worried about left wing extremism? Some historical perspective is missing from this debate methinks.
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    we need another lemas and a whitteker, instead when we look at the main political partys we slowly shake our heads
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
    ... The left wing violence became so bad it managed to resuscitate the flagging fortunes of Italy's fascist party who claimed to offer stability against the anarchy of the violent left, and they did so with a murderous campaign that managed to outstrip the red brigades body count ... We have a left hell bent on an ideological takeover and are quite prepared to ignore both democracy and the rule of law to achieve it. Already their behaviour has precipitated a right wing backlash in the form of Brexit, LePenn, Wilders and Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Equinox View Post
    The failure of the media to call out or challenge the likes of Black Lives Matter and Antifa's tactics and motives, but instead offer mealy mouthed justifications for their behaviour has undermined democracy and created a space for right wing fascism to flourish ...
    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    If the political centre does not respond to immorality and society wrecking from the Marxists, the right eventually gets asked to do it.
    So, to be clear, left-wing violence is the fault of left-wing extremists, and right-wing violence is the fault of left-wing extremists too?

    You should read a little history. I would recommend The Dark Heart of Italy by Tobias Jones. It has been known since the P2 scandals that the Italian secret service were running the fascist terrorists, pretty much directly. It also now seems that the same secret service were, to a significant degree, running the Red Brigades. They were effectively at war with themselves, in what was called the strategia della tensione, the Pressure Strategy.

    There were a number of attacks where the timing was pivotal to key parlimentary votes. Dublin and Monaghan bombings anyone?
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