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    Bringing the Duchy of Cornwall within the law

    The following concerns a question of civil rights and free access to information within the UK concerning the legal status of the Duchy of Cornwall and its relationship to the territory of Cornwall and the Cornish people. Your opinion and advice on the issues raised would be most appreciated.

    The Cornish Stannaries are claimed as the property of the Duke of Cornwall by charters. The first of 1337 was published in 1978 as Statutes in Force, Constitutional law. The second and third Duchy of Cornwall charters of 1337 and 1338 give the Duke the powers of: “The King’s Writ and Summons of Exchequer” throughout Cornwall. These powers of the Duke of Cornwall represent the powers of government retained as a result of the English conquest of Cornwall, c.1000 AD. By the Cornwall Submarine Mines Act 1858, the foreshore of Cornwall was awarded to the Duke as “part of the soil and territorial possessions of the Duchy of Cornwall”. We note that territorial possessions can not be private possessions. Research reveals that the public spirited Crown Estate (http://www.thecrownestate.co.uk) provides cultural support and housing for the public everywhere in the U.K. except Cornwall. The Duchy of Cornwall is the analogous body in Cornwall but, in a departure from its historical role, now claims to be a private estate with exemption from the Freedom of Information Act 2000, clearly, a stratagem designed to deter investigation into Duchy history and Cornish history.

    Lord Coke, in “The Princes Case” 1606, ruled that the transfer of property could not be exercised by charter alone. Whereupon, he contended that only the three Duchy of Cornwall Charters were to be classified as Acts of Parliament. There is no entry in the Parliamentary records between 1330 and 1340 to substantiate this exceptional claim. It is possible that the claim of the Imperial Parliament to ‘sovereignty’ is asserted in order to legitimise English bias as a right to any claim to the property of the subject made by the Crown. The present powers of the Duke of Cornwall in respect of control over Acts of Parliament are to be found in the standing Orders of the Westminster Parliament No. 7.178. The powers of the Duke of Cornwall to “control or intervene” in the judicial process are to be found in the Crown Proceedings Act 1947, section 40 (2g). Even so, the unrepealed Royal Mines Act 1688 specifically states that no tin mine shall be a royal mine. This Act has been ignored by successive Dukes of Cornwall in Cornwall. In Cornwall, the Duke is Lord Paramount, and is entitled to claim intestate estates and bona vacantia to accrue mineral rights without reference to Stannary law. Stannary law was, however, the basis upon which the Duchy Charters originally laid claim to the ownership of the minerals of Cornwall.

    Lord Coke, in his ‘Case of the Stannaries’1606, does concede: “base mines (includes tin) belong to the subject but the tin in Cornwall belongs to the King although now a reason cannot easily be rendered”. The tax (coinage) imposed by the Duchy on Cornish tin production was at twice the rate applicable to that of Devon which comprised only 5% of total UK tin production. Lord Coke’s 4th Inst. 33 reveals the English custom of a double tax on foreign produce and G.R.Lewis in ‘The Stannaries’ ascribes the difference to the fact that the Cornish were Celts and the people of Devon, Anglo-Saxon, part of the ruling English national majority. Before 1832, English law permitted the Duke of Cornwall to create 44 constituencies in Cornwall for his ‘Prince’s Party’ at a time when Scotland had only 45 M.P.s.

    Clearly, these otherwise unjustifiable manipulations of the law were acceptable to English people then, just as currently, the absence from English law of the world wide constitutionally enforceable right to equality before the law is accepted to protect the Duchy of Cornwall from an effective legal challenge. The Duke of Cornwall acquired a fortune from Cornish tin, and thus, English people were, and are still, absolved from sharing the responsibility of paying, through taxation, for their enjoyment of the privilege of having an heir to the throne.

    Well before the West Lothian, Offas Dyke or Tryweryn Questions was the Cornish question. Why should our sovereignty and constitutional status be gerrymandered just so that the English tax payer does not have to pay for the upkeep of the heir to the throne?

    Do you agree that the Duke and Duchy of Cornwall should be made subject to equality before the law and that English people should begin, after over six centuries, to pay for the maintenance of the heir to the throne? In addition, do you accept that Cornish people have the right to recover ownership of their mineral resources from the Duchy of Cornwall and to re-instate their traditional Stannary Parliament under the provisions of international law?

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    No.
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    Yes, I support the Cornish people's right to do so.
    It's a long road so play the long game!

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    There are no "Cornish" people. Cornwall is an English county. They are English.
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    Quote Originally Posted by konig
    There are no "Cornish" people. Cornwall is an English county. They are English.
    No Londoners, Lancastrians or Brummies either then.

    you're a funny old country.
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    I don't see Londoners, Lancastrians, or Brummies demanding different treatment one from another so nor should the people who live in Cornwall, Esex, Kent, or any English county demand anything different from other English counties.

    I wonder how long Cornwall would last without English taxes flooding into the place to subsidise those who will not "get on their bikes" to move to where work is.
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    I have a far better suggestion: execute the feckin lot of the Royal Family. They are all parasites. The French got it right. The "English" Royal Family aren't even English! They are a mixture of German, Russian and French.
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    I agree, Conubian. I don't pretend to understand the arrangements there - and that illustrates the problem. Transparency is required! - a Cornish constitution!

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    Quote Originally Posted by konig
    I don't see Londoners, Lancastrians, or Brummies demanding different treatment one from another so nor should the people who live in Cornwall, Esex, Kent, or any English county demand anything different from other English counties.
    The original post is demanding equal treatement - not different treatement.
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    Cornwall is a very pretty place with a coast considerably nicer than our own and no doubt the industrial history of Cornwall is one of exploitation and oppression, but then so is all industrial history in all countries.

    The place is very nice in a “pretty pretty” sort of way , but other than for a minority, and the English who have retired there, the locals are universally appallingly ignorant and with a huge chip on their collective shoulders against anyone and anything that is not “local” with the exception of money which they grab with both hands at every opportunity. .

    Worst of all they don’t realise just how ignorant they are which makes it even worse.

    Ignorance does not equate to stupidity though, and stupid they are not. They exploit people visiting the place to an amazing degree and charge extortionate prices for everything.

    The food is mostly very mediocre, accommodation is frequently at best second rate but at luxury prices, and the towns such as Penzance swarm with appalling families from England’s Midlands, and an appalling English family is arguably the most appalling family it is possible to encounter. Goodness knows we get enough of them coming to, or thankfully mostly through, our country.

    If Cornwall wants equality with the rest of Britain let alone the rest of Europe then the locals need to start by living in the current century and that includes stopping moaning about how terribly they are being treated and how there is no employment and get off their fat backsides and do something about it like travelling to where the work is.

    Equality? They couldn’t afford to live where they do if they go it from what I've seen.
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