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    Council of Europe to vote on creationism

    http://www.theparliament.com/EN/News/20 ... 14167c.htm

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    A ridiculous motion.

    By banning the teaching of creationism you only legitimise this farcical idea in the minds of the idiots who believe in it.
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    How is that such a vote can mean anything. I personally don't believe in the theory but then again wasn't there a time when people thought the world was flat so I'd hate to be asoundingly arrogant to think there might not be even the tinist chance that another version is correct.

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    The motion only opposes the teaching of creationism in school science classes, not a blanket opposition.

    Creationism is not a theory - it makes no predictions that can be verified using the scientific method - it is a belief.

    It has no place in a science curriculum, whatever about a religion curriculum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Earl of Desmond
    ....but then again wasn't there a time when people thought the world was flat....
    Apparently this is one of the great urban legends. In recent times (last few thousand years where there is any sort of records), only the occasional fringe group such as the flat earth society ever claimed the Earth was flat. Pretty much every society that thought about it accepted that it was either round or oval

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    Quote Originally Posted by droghedasouth
    The motion only opposes the teaching of creationism in school science classes, not a blanket opposition.

    Creationism is not a theory - it makes no predictions that can be verified using the scientific method - it is a belief.

    It has no place in a science curriculum, whatever about a religion curriculum.
    DS, any idea how creationists explain their way around dinosaurs and 4 billion year old rocks and such like ? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvotingMachine0197
    Quote Originally Posted by droghedasouth
    The motion only opposes the teaching of creationism in school science classes, not a blanket opposition.

    Creationism is not a theory - it makes no predictions that can be verified using the scientific method - it is a belief.

    It has no place in a science curriculum, whatever about a religion curriculum.
    DS, any idea how creationists explain their way around dinosaurs and 4 billion year old rocks and such like ? Just curious.
    Depends on which one you talk to. Some say that Noah didn't let them on the Ark and they drowned. Others think that God just decided to kill them off for reasons unknown. Either way they were walking around about 4000 years ago. Apparently the lads who built Newgrange had terrible problems with Pterodactyls nesting on top of it, that white ring of stones around it is actually fossilised dinosaur sh*t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewex
    Quote Originally Posted by The Earl of Desmond
    ....but then again wasn't there a time when people thought the world was flat....
    Apparently this is one of the great urban legends. In recent times (last few thousand years where there is any sort of records), only the occasional fringe group such as the flat earth society ever claimed the Earth was flat. Pretty much every society that thought about it accepted that it was either round or oval
    There was a fictional book published in America about 200 years ago about Christopher Columbus and in it all his contemporaries were worries he'd fall off the edge of the earth, that's where the idea that people used think the world was flat came from.

    The ancient greeks discovered that the world was round in about 600BC and it's been reasonable accepted knowledge since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvotingMachine0197
    Quote Originally Posted by droghedasouth
    The motion only opposes the teaching of creationism in school science classes, not a blanket opposition.

    Creationism is not a theory - it makes no predictions that can be verified using the scientific method - it is a belief.

    It has no place in a science curriculum, whatever about a religion curriculum.
    DS, any idea how creationists explain their way around dinosaurs and 4 billion year old rocks and such like ? Just curious.
    No idea - many believe the bible to be literally true and that is more or less the end of the discussion. Some 45% of Americans apparently subscribe to creationism though without full-blown scripture literalism.

    Intelligent design is also mentioned in the Council of Europe motion and it is more pernicious than creationism IMHO. [corrected].

    Edited from Wikipedia:
    Intelligent design is the claim that "certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection." Intelligent design's advocates claim it is a scientific theory,[8] and seek to fundamentally redefine science to accept supernatural explanations.[9]

    The unequivocal consensus in the scientific community is that intelligent design is not science.[10][11] The U.S. National Academy of Sciences has stated that "intelligent design, and other claims of supernatural intervention in the origin of life" are not science because they cannot be tested by experiment, do not generate any predictions, and propose no new hypotheses of their own.

    "Intelligent design" originated in response to a 1987 United States Supreme Court ruling involving separation of church and state.
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    Watch for unionist politicians railing against this as an attack on their civil and religious liberties. Ultra-elite unionist brotherhood the Ignorati have vowed to fight this legislation for God, Ulster and the last remaining dinasaurs; presbytereanus fanaticus found mostly on or above the Antrim plataeu.
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