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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    In your dreams.

    What's happening in Greece is a slow dawning of the fact that the rest of Europe is not prepared to pay for their profligacy any longer; it's a painful lesson, but one which the Greek people have brought upon themselves. If they insist on pretending that it's not happening, then the Eurozone should wave them goodbye and let's see how they get on. Who knows, they might even learn to pay their taxes in the end.
    The eurozone in its current set up cannot last. It's very foundation is built on sand. Of course the politicians and their cronies will never admit to that, so it will drag on for a number of years, dying a drawn out painful death and making the rest of us the poorer for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mossy Heneberry View Post
    The eurozone in its current set up cannot last. It's very foundation is built on sand. Of course the politicians and their cronies will never admit to that, so it will drag on for a number of years, dying a drawn out painful death and making the rest of us the poorer for it.
    That's an opinion; I suspect it's an incorrect opinion.
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    Greece sought a bailout in April 2010.
    People need to remember this. It was Greece that asked for help.

    When you ask for help that help comes with conditions unfortunately, and those who provide the help can insist on the conditions being fulfilled.

    The Greek people - like the Irish people - need to refocus their anger toward the people who put them in the situation where help had to be asked for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    The Greek people - like the Irish people - need to refocus their anger toward the people who put them in the situation where help had to be asked for.
    If they did that, you would find plenty of Irish and Greek people beating themselves up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mossy Heneberry View Post
    If they did that, you would find plenty of Irish and Greek people beating themselves up.
    At last, some solid grounds for Greco-Hibernian cooperation; we could beat each other up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post

    The Greek people - like the Irish people - need to refocus their anger toward the people who put them in the situation where help had to be asked for.
    Agreed.
    That is, we should focus our anger on the vultures of the global financial establishment and on the straw men-politicians who serve it. Down with the banks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse View Post
    Absolute rubbish. Greek society is dysfunctional at every level. Few are paying taxes, bribery and corruption is rampant within the State sector and the State is supporting huge numbers of employees, pensioners, quangoes and businesses. Almost everyone is protesting including the Police when off duty. Martial Law will probably be the only way of regaining control of society - whether or not they leave the Euro.
    and the Greek army will be a pancea for all of Greece's ills? Remind me of how it turned out the last time the Colonels tried that one. The Greek army are part of the political and social elite. They will be used by them to suppress the workers just like they did in 1967 and 1974 while the elite and bankers carve up the country.

    I believe thats called fascism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    Greece sought a bailout in April 2010.
    People need to remember this. It was Greece that asked for help.

    When you ask for help that help comes with conditions unfortunately, and those who provide the help can insist on the conditions being fulfilled.

    The Greek people - like the Irish people - need to refocus their anger toward the people who put them in the situation where help had to be asked for.
    I'd have to agree with that sentiment. wrecking and burning their own city is kind of counterproductive imo. Angela had no skin taken off her nose. and on a related matter how could greece afford to cough up for the cost of security for her (pointless) visit seeing as they are completely broke. I hope the germans are footing the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iartaoiseach View Post
    I'd have to agree with that sentiment. wrecking and burning their own city is kind of counterproductive imo. Angela had no skin taken off her nose.
    Mores the pity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Partizan View Post
    and the Greek army will be a pancea for all of Greece's ills? Remind me of how it turned out the last time the Colonels tried that one. The Greek army are part of the political and social elite. They will be used by them to suppress the workers just like they did in 1967 and 1974 while the elite and bankers carve up the country.

    I believe thats called fascism.
    And your view of Fascism is as far from reality as the Workers Party is from ever getting elected to Dáil Eireann. With the right to vote comes a responsibility to use that vote properly. The Greeks didn't and guess what? Actions have consequences.
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