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    What exactly is in the EU Fiscal Pact?

    Most reports oin the Fiscal Pact have been fairly scetchy regarding its contents (perhaps delibertely so?). I haven't come across a summary of the deal.

    From what I gather;

    0.5% Structural Budget Deficit
    60% Dept/GDP ratio
    Various penalties if these targets are breached
    Economic 'coordination'
    No burning of bondholders, ever

    Can anyone shed more light on this deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joeyjoejoe View Post
    Most reports oin the Fiscal Pact have been fairly scetchy regarding its contents (perhaps delibertely so?). I haven't come across a summary of the deal.

    From what I gather;

    0.5% Structural Budget Deficit
    60% Dept/GDP ratio
    Various penalties if these targets are breached
    Economic 'coordination'
    No burning of bondholders, ever

    Can anyone shed more light on this deal?
    These are in there:

    0.5% Structural Budget Deficit
    60% Dept/GDP ratio
    Various penalties if these targets are breached

    These aren't:

    Economic 'coordination'
    No burning of bondholders, ever

    Also, no access to ESM bailouts without ratification of this one.
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    Isn't a fiscal pact is a cure for diarrhoea or something?

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    Links to summaries on this thread - Treaty on Stability Coordination & Governance in the EMU - commentary links.

    and a link to the treaty is on this OP - http://www.politics.ie/forum/europe/...1-01-12-a.html

    I'd encourage you to have a look at the treaty yourself before diving into other people's commentaries. It is not very long and is mostly in plain English. (There are hairy bits).

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumlin utopian View Post
    Isn't a fiscal pact is a cure for diarrhoea or something?
    Perhaps your mind was on other things and you were thinking of a fistula or alternately a fistule sweetie.

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    There is also a requirement that countries with > 60% debt to GDP must reduce it by 1/20 each year.

    That means a surplus every year, so the 3% deficit limit and 0.5% structural deficit limits are meaningless.

    A country at 100% debt to GDP would be 40% over, so would have to run a surplus of 2% a year to pay back 1/20 of the amount they are over the limit and it would take 20 years to hit the 60% limit.

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    Hang on......I was reliably informed that no one ever actually pays down the debt, they just roll it over and grow their way out of it. Ah well, yet another state-loving myth tossed on the fire....
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopdoingstuff View Post
    Hang on......I was reliably informed that no one ever actually pays down the debt, they just roll it over and grow their way out of it. Ah well, yet another state-loving myth tossed on the fire....
    Actually, fair enough, with growth, we could run a deficit. I stand (sit) corrected.

    However, allowing a 3% deficit and a 2% reduction in debt would require a 5% growth rate.

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    What exactly is in the EU Fiscal Pact?


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