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Thread: Does Ireland Have A Position Of Strength In Negotiations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by inherit the deficit View Post
    Ireland is still on the naughty step along with the several other eurozone countries I mentioned to be dealt with by France and Germany one at the time. Instead of this there should be collective bargaining us along those others basically a union within a union. In regards to default
    I merely challenge the idea that default is not an option not express favour in it, my opinion is that is the government's way austerity as the only way out of this crisis is wrong and totally erroneous. There looks like no Plan B. My suggestion is that default or really the threat of it is a bargaining chip.
    it undermines the position Ireland takes in international negotiations. default is not an option but a consequence of failed political engagement domestically and internationally. It is in the interest of the EU/Germany to see Ireland as a success story for the austerity measures and here is a good starting point for the bargaining position to reduce impact on the most vulnerable segments in society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouKnowWhatIMeanLike View Post
    it undermines the position Ireland takes in international negotiations. default is not an option but a consequence of failed political engagement domestically and internationally. It is in the interest of the EU/Germany to see Ireland as a success story for the austerity measures and here is a good starting point for the bargaining position to reduce impact on the most vulnerable segments in society.
    You mentioned failed political engagement and am glad you did. Have the negotiations not already failed in their efforts to permanently solve the problems facing the eurozone once and for all when the top brass have to meet up once a month or so to agree all over again. Is default then not a consequence of that failure?

    On seeing Ireland as a success story for austerity in order to bargain to protect the most vulnerable. Any favourable terms in this regard would not likely amount to much when you consider austerity from its inception targets the blameless and protects the culpable. So the only benefit to the vulnerable would be the end of austerity. Well for them anyway.

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    We do not have a position of strength in any negotiations. I borrow some of the stuff I wrote on another thread.

    The democratically elected government of this republic made the decision to join the euro zone. Having done that they, in common with their colleagues in financial institutions and building industry, voluntarily borrowed way over the top from foreign banks.

    They, their spin doctors and cheer leaders in the media, told the rest of us that all in the garden was rosy. They rejoiced in that fact and taunted and scoffed at those who criticised what was happening.

    Giving out about the people who gave the heads of our most powerful institutions the loans is hypocritical. Imagine what they and their spin doctors would have said if the foreign banks refused to give them the loans.

    Our most powerful citizens behaved irresponsibly and were not held to account by our free press. As a result this country is broke.

    Its holes in the wall are being kept open by foreigners.

    It was the decisions of our native, democratically elected government and financial institutions that bankrupt the country. Not the actions of foreigners.

    Not a great position.

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