Croatia votes to join the EU according to exit polls

[Partizan]

Why not? Happiest day in my life is 25.6.91. the day when Croatia proclaimed independence.

Second happiest day is 5.8.95. the day we liberated Knin in Operation Storm.

There you go again "Gotovina is a criminal". Where is a proof of that? I showed you youtube movie which shows Knin practically intact while verdict says Knin was shelled very hard. I showed youtube movie that shows Krajina Serbs how they practice evacuation. I showed a document issued by Krajina's president ordering general and planned evacuation of non-combatants from Krajina. And yet by miracle Gotovina is guilty for that.

Why should I believe in such ludicrous charges when every bit of evidence shows that Gotovina is innocent. And what should I think about ICTY who condemnes an innocent man in spite of evidence?

My God, here we go again. Will you ever please give up. There was overwhelming evidence which indicted Gotovina for crimes against humanity which he got 24 years for. He was found guilty in a court and convicted. Just read the ICTY scripts, the lot. The Serbs didnt just leave Krajina, they fled the place in their tractors and all their earthly posessions. Their leadership had the insight to order a planned evacuation in advance of the Croatian assault with very little time for if they had not, we would not be talking about hundreds of ethnic Serbs (mainly elderly) massacred in their homes, we would be talking thousands, tens of thousands.

The fact that you celebrate the organised and premeditated ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Croatian Serbs from their ancestral homes says alot about you. You are a disgusting excuse of a human being. You are as bad as the KLA shills who celebrate the removal of 250,000 Serbs, Jews, Gorani Muslims and Roma from Kosovo and the Serb nationalists who downplay the events of Srebrenica.

Face it, one million people were murdered by the Ustasa in WW2. That was corroborated by Yugoslav War Crimes Commission, the Simon Wiesenthal Centre and by witnessess themselves. Likewise the events of 1995 has been corroborated by witnessess and journalists. Crimes were committed in your name. For the sake of human decency and justice for the victims, please do not continually spread your lies and put the blame for all of Croatia's ills on Serbia, Tito, the communists or any convenient scapegoat you lot like to conjure up. If opinion like yours is common in Croatia which I suspect it is, then the Croats need to sit down, have a good long hard look at themselves in order to come to terms with their past. Only when you acknowledge that crimes were committed in your name, the same that crimes were committed in the name of Irish Republicanism will you all finally move on.

[Partizan]

Calling you "my Serbian friend" makes me a fascist Despite my ancestor's antifascist orientation and their participation in Croatian antifascist movement...

Well more's the pity Sir.

[MrD011]

67 percent of the Croatian electorate voted yes in todays referendum.

WELCOME TO EUROPE, CROATIA!

I feel for these poor naive people.

what will happen is

a) they will be pumped full of money by the EU commission. people will get on board the eu machine and the growth of europhilia will cross their nation.

b) Native People will have plenty of money and will be so busy making cash they wont see the thousands of africans , asians and other probably other eastern europeans settling in the country , their government will be off sunning themselves and making plenty of cash because they are now being ruled by the EU elite.

c) eventually the money trail drys up and the natives are left unemployed scratching their heads looking around them at the number of immigrants who are now fueling the jobs market with their cheap labour.

d) when they try to complain they are not listened to because the media which is run by wealthy business people for the wealthy see cheap labour as a vital in fueling their lavish lifestyles.

e) all they have now is no nation , no jobs , more taxes , more cuts , and europhiles telling them everything will be ok.

[Fitch F Rich]

a) Sorry, but there is no money to pump in Croatia. Brussels needs Croatia at the moment only for marketing purposes. Our accession advertises the EU project.

b) No way. Croatian people are not some loving sort of liberals who will tolerate too many others. Throughout history others gave us only misery and bloodshed, so we can call this "the historical heritage" of our nation.

c) Read b.

d) It's not any different now. We live that kind of life for years, but outside the EU. That's why the EU accession for Croatia has no alternative. Our life now is no different than it will be in the EU, the difference is that we'll have our representatives in Brussels that we don't have at the moment.

e) Hungarians, Italians, Austrians, Turks and Serbs have tried to wipe this nation for almost thousand years. Unsuccessfully. No eurocrats could succeed in that. Jobs we don't have already, taxes are going up already, we entered the times of cuts already and we all know it won't be OK. Nevertheless, it's better this way than to be outside the EU, but its puppet all the same...

[Feelinglost]

I prefer the Oxford dictionary. It's a little more reliable.

"The deliberate and systematic extermination of an ethnic or national group".

Not quite the same now is it? Hyperbole is actually demeaning to very real injustices.

genocide
1944, apparently coined by Polish-born U.S. jurist Raphael Lemkin (1900–1959) in his work "Axis Rule in Occupied Europe" [p.19], in reference to Nazi extermination of Jews, lit. "killing a tribe," from Gk. genos "race, kind" (see genus) + -cide. The proper formation would be *genticide.

Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aimed at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. [Lemkin]

[MrD011]

a) Our life now is no different than it will be in the EU

well then why bother to join the 4th Reich at all ?

[Partizan]

a) Sorry, but there is no money to pump in Croatia. Brussels needs Croatia at the moment only for marketing purposes. Our accession advertises the EU project.

b) No way. Croatian people are not some loving sort of liberals who will tolerate too many others. Throughout history others gave us only misery and bloodshed, so we can call this "the historical heritage" of our nation.

c) Read b.

d) It's not any different now. We live that kind of life for years, but outside the EU. That's why the EU accession for Croatia has no alternative. Our life now is no different than it will be in the EU, the difference is that we'll have our representatives in Brussels that we don't have at the moment.

e) Hungarians, Italians, Austrians, Turks and Serbs have tried to wipe this nation for almost thousand years. Unsuccessfully. No eurocrats could succeed in that. Jobs we don't have already, taxes are going up already, we entered the times of cuts already and we all know it won't be OK. Nevertheless, it's better this way than to be outside the EU, but its puppet all the same...

Funny that, I could have sworn that the NDH wiped out a million Serbs and Jews during WW2 and engaged in the planned ethnic cleansing of 200,000 Croatian Serbs from their Krajina homeland in 1995.

History has a habit of repeating itself and the Balkans is no different. Two decades after leaving Yugoslavia, Croatia (and Slovenia) have gone back to its natural home. Nearly a century after the demise of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Zagreb has rejoined another German dominated political and economic bloc, the EU.

Once a slave, always a slave.

[curiousorange]

well then why bother to join the 4th Reich at all ?

Yawn. Maybe if you hang around on the street outside you´ll find some random German tourist you can beat up for their centuries of oppression.