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    Is this a cynical ploy to start a premature discussion on Euro-federalism with a view to poisoning people's attitude to Europe generally. I don't buy it. He still doesn't have my vote either.
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    That was always his position as I understood it and it is a reasonable one. A united democratic Europe would be an improvement on the current EU which is neither united nor democratic.

    What it will show is that support for an actual USE is low everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    He is on Marian Finucane now.
    Have they finished yet ?
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    From what I recall Ganley supported the forerunner to the Lisbon Treaty - the European Constitution which was rejected in French and Dutch referendums. Ganley felt that Lisbon was a poor substitute. It was Dick Roche and other pro-Lisbon campaigners who painted him as a kind of "Little Irelander" Eurosceptic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magror14 View Post
    Is this a cynical ploy to start a premature discussion on Euro-federalism with a view to poisoning people's attitude to Europe generally. I don't buy it. He still doesn't have my vote either.
    Well spotted M 14.

    Ganley could be trying to be too clever here.

    He basically wants to avoid the "abominable no man" tag.

    His strategy is to sustain the "No" vote but also to attract previous "Yes" voters on the basis that the "No" is actually a "Not until" vote

    The Australians opposed to the Monarchy voted in favour of the monarchy on the basis that they opposed the alternative option.

    Ganley is trying to do the same in reverse- trying to catch the "No" voters and the waverers on the basis of opposing the current model offered by any new treaty until a new model comes along via a new referendum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gijoe View Post
    The lead story in the SBP is that Declan Ganley is to campaign for a 'United States of Europe' with a view to having another pan-European election campaign on that platform for the 2014 elections. Ganley is proposing that the USE will be loosely based upon the founding of the USA although States will be able to opt out at any time and their will have to be an opt in or out referendum in every country. The USE would federalise sovereign debt although only after it has been discounted. The USE will take further sovereignty off nation states particularly in the area of foreign affairs (and presumably defence as well).
    I had to check the header of the SBP to make sure the date wasn't April 1st. Twice.

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    He probably wants English as the common language of the new union. That would please his counterparts in the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDF View Post
    From what I recall Ganley supported the forerunner to the Lisbon Treaty - the European Constitution which was rejected in French and Dutch referendums. Ganley felt that Lisbon was a poor substitute. It was Dick Roche and other pro-Lisbon campaigners who painted him as a kind of "Little Irelander" Eurosceptic.
    To be fair - yes, even to Dick Roche - the campaign material Libertas came out with painted that picture perfectly well all by itself. Libertas' campaigning wasn't really reflective of Ganley's position, though - a Yes/No referendum doesn't lend itself to nuanced campaigning.

    I don't see the double-bluff thing, myself - his public statements before the Lisbon campaign were entirely consistent with this position.

    That was always his position as I understood it and it is a reasonable one. A united democratic Europe would be an improvement on the current EU which is neither united nor democratic.

    What it will show is that support for an actual USE is low everywhere.
    It is, but then nobody is really campaigning for one. Despite the loud shrieks of those who believe that every EU Treaty is just a softly-softly attempt to bring a USE into being, no national politician has any real interest in a USE, for obvious reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VoteFFno1 View Post
    No no no
    You mean that Ganley is still on Marian Finuicane ?
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